Anglicanism and Queen Elizabeth I (2024)

Does anyone know how the Britannia DLC interacts with the Women in History DLC? From the wikis (which haven’t been updated in a while), it appears that England must be Catholic to get Elizabeth as Queen. However, with the addition of Anglicanism (just 15 years after the Protestant Reformation), it appears that England going Anglican would prevent Elizabeth from becoming Queen - which, besides being sucky for the England player (losing out on a great monarch) would just be incredibly ahistorical precisely because Elizabeth’s father broken with the Church so he could marry her mother!

But maybe this isn’t an issue and I can just update the wiki?

Thanks!

MagnusDux said:

Why does going anglican prevent Elizabeth from becoming queen?

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From my recent experience, it does not.
She was amazing. And her son was almost as good. Monarch points galore.

According to the Wiki, England must be Catholic with a Protestant province in the capital area between 1533 and 1600 to trigger Elizabeth, which also makes England Protestant.

But, with Britannia, you get the Anglican event well before 1533, which means that England isn’t Catholic to trigger Elizabeth? Or that it does trigger her and then England goes from Anglican to Protestant?

So basically my confusion is as to whether the wiki is right or whether the Britannia DLC changed the Elizabeth event.

deckhand said:

From my recent experience, it does not.
She was amazing. And her son was almost as good. Monarch points galore.

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Oh, that’s good news! So you converted to Anglicanism, then got Elizabeth (without converting to Protestantism)?

Thanks again for the info! I became Anglican early in the Reformation. I had two periods with no heir (long enough that I stayed at war to prevent falling under a PU) and the Elizabeth event didn’t fire - so I figured it just wasn’t going to happen. Then through a *different* event my Lancaster king got a strong Habsburg heir. The heir had very good stats but he was Austrian and Protestant so, for role-playing reasons and because I figured I’d get some nasty events down the line for having a king of both different nationality and religion, I disinherited him - even though my king was a little on the old side. Not too long after this, I got the Elizabeth event and I, of course, abdicated in favor of her. She (6/6/5) ruled (with reduced separatism and inspiring leader stats) for 49 years alongside her 6/5/5 Prince-Consort Ranier von Habsburg. (She was greedy -10% taxes, but, hey, nobody’s perfect!). I also stayed Anglican throughout this.

She had a son with good initial stats, but who ended up being craven (negative morale), so I disinherited him since Elizabeth was young and Prince-Consort Ranier was “fertile,” lol. And then they had a wonderful daughter, Margaret Tudor who had great stats and reduced idea costs. In my game, she’s now ruling alongside her Bohemian consort.

The lesson for England/GB players is that if you want Elizabeth but are not getting her during the applicable period, disinherit, disinherit your heirs ‘til you get her!

ColinDV80 said:

Does anyone know how the Britannia DLC interacts with the Women in History DLC? From the wikis (which haven’t been updated in a while), it appears that England must be Catholic to get Elizabeth as Queen. However, with the addition of Anglicanism (just 15 years after the Protestant Reformation), it appears that England going Anglican would prevent Elizabeth from becoming Queen - which, besides being sucky for the England player (losing out on a great monarch) would just be incredibly ahistorical precisely because Elizabeth’s father broken with the Church so he could marry her mother!

But maybe this isn’t an issue and I can just update the wiki?

Thanks!

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I had her as Queen on my Great Britain game, and I was Anglican. She was a 6/6/5. It was awesome.

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Women_in_History_events#Queen_Elizabeth_I

If an Anglican England can get this event, it seems like the wiki is out of date.

frolix42 said:

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Women_in_History_events#Queen_Elizabeth_I

If an Anglican England can get this event, it seems like the wiki is out of date.

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Wiki is out of date for a lot of things...

Nyrael said:

It literally says "This article may contain outdated information that is inaccurate for the current version of the game. It was last updated for 1.22." at the top of the article.

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It's says that about almost every article. So either virtually all data on the EU4 wiki is useless or it's worth nothing which information in it is actually out of date.

frolix42 said:

It's says that about almost every article. So either virtually all data on the EU4 wiki is useless or it's worth nothing which information in it is actually out of date.

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Things like "Random New world Generation" are more likely to be fine even if outdated, as it was a very long while since we had an update that did anything with it.
The Elizabeth event, on other hand, is something that may have changed during the England update, so that warning holds more sway.

Also, events information are generally something that needs to be taken with a grain of salt on wiki as their changes are often not even included in the Patch Logs, so people don't even know that the article has to be updated.

Considering that there hasn't been an update of the article since Anglicism was added to the game, it is pretty clear that the wiki is wrong here, yes. The EU4 wiki is actually pretty complete compared for example to the Stellaris one, but it is certainly clear that people have to put work into it to keep it up to date.

You'd have to check the actual game file and put the updated stuff into the wiki. Though it seems they want to keep the version of the page consistent, so you would have to check all events in that file. I would assume that people actually used some sort of script (or Excel according to some change not in the history of that page, though that sounds horrible) to create those pages, which would obviously make it way easier.