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we had this pattern for years of taking
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of hoarding tape like you do ammo yeah
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like I don't even shoot 762 x 39 really
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it's just not I'm not that interested
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but I have you know like I it's it's
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unimaginable how many steel case rounds
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I have like why do I have those because
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I'm crazy just in case it's like so the
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the preper you have and not need then
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need and not have I totally agree with
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that but I'm not rational about it like
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I'm sure you who's like equipped an
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entire private Army is you're pretty
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rational about it I'm not I'm like I'm
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not exactly sure I need I don't give a
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[__] gold ammo you know whatever I just
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want to hoard it and um cuz I feel you
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know I can feel all this
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stuff and tape is the same way but dudes
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with guns yeah are not a match for dudes
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with
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drones so if you're if you're the kind
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of person I'm not you know naming names
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or identifying Myself by name but if
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you're the kind of person who sees a
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deal on steel case 762 x 39 you're like
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I need another 10,000 rounds because in
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your gut you feel like something you
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know volatility is coming how point is
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that
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pointless I've just been uh reading a
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book called Firepower which is a history
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of basically a history of gunpowder and
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you track the change of warfare going
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from Spears and longbows to the wheel
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locks match lock muskets Flint locks
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artillery with bursting rounds and I
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read that to Trish try to understand
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we're now through a massive step
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change because you know um despite all
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the Techno Wizardry of the US military
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the best weapon the enemy had was an IED
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yes I noticed and now the and the IEDs
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would be positioned along the road and
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clacked off remotely now the enemy can
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fly the IED at you at 120 miles an hour
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low to the ground even in a highly
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jammed environment so the threat highly
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jamming there's there's no way to stop
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the signal highly highly Jam right even
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because the Russians are really good at
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jamming yes and the ukrainians yeah
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they've developed they've innovated
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taking a cheap racing drone like with
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the goggles that somebody wears fpv
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drone and you put a a beer can size
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charge that you can 3D print the casing
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for it in the field with a little copper
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disc on the front of it and drive that
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into the back of a tank and for $1,500
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you destroy a $2 million tank so that is
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like having a sniper rifle versus a guy
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with a longbow a step change in Warfare
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and we we're there right now and the
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longer this combat goes in Ukraine the
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Russians are getting a lot better
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ukrainians have too but they're just
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trying to you know the the battle is the
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ultimate cold of learning yes and bad
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ideas are quickly destroyed and
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discarded and and so the proliferation
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of that knowledge is staggering so what
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are we learning from watching I don't
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think the US military is learning much
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oh good no learning well no the problem
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is the the US weapon systems aren't even
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that high demand because they're not
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that effective in that highly jammed
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environment for 20 years of global war
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on terror you were fighting against a
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very comparatively unsophisticated enemy
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now in a big state on state type War the
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US systems are not holding up you know
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the javelin missile which jav which
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rathon sells to the taxpayers for
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$200,000 a shot with a $300,000 command
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launch unit the ukrainians can only use
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that for the first shot in a uh in an
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ambush because their IR
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detector if they shoot the first tank
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the tank is very hot it's burning if
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they try to shoot a second and third
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missile the other missiles go for the
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very hot spot on the battlefield they
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can't even discern
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so then the Ukrainian shift from a
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$200,000 missile from the Americans to
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one that they build themselves for
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$29,000 and it works just as well and
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it's delivered on a drone delivered on a
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drone or from an anti-tank missil yeah
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so there the the the super high dollar
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American stuff is not doing so well in
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that battle space so I would assume I
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mean the world is watching this
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potential future adversaries are seeing
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on display American Military capability
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and we should be concerned as taxpayers
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and as Citizens that all this money
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we've spent we have not gotten very good
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value for in the same way but doesn't it
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doesn't it display our our vulnerability
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too if our weapon systems aren't working
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in Ukraine why would they work in other
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parts of the right aren't we sort of
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showing our hand look some of the stuff
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works well but at what cost right cuz
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you know the hoties are using a 20 to
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$50,000 drone to attack commercial
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shipping or us shipping in the Red Sea
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Gulf of Aiden uh and the US has to shoot
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that down with not one but two missiles
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that cost $2 million a piece so you're
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costing us $4 million to shoot down a
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$50,000 drone bad math even in
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Washington DC why wouldn't because this
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is on display and the world is sort of
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watching why wouldn't military planners
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in the United States be taking notes and
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adjusting accordingly because the money
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keeps on going the same way with no
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accountability and
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no uh no self introspection no learning
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look who who got fired who got punished
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for a complete debacle in Afghanistan
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where over 20 years we replac the
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Taliban with the
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Taliban yeah that and nobody's been
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fired the only guy that got fired was
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Stu sheller what a good man he is the
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young Marine who stood up and said
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enough that's right cuz if cuz if one of
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his to jail I know cuz if he said look
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if a couple of my young marines lost a
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rifle on the rifle range they would be
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punished we lost we left 80 some billion
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dollars worth of military equipment and
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turned over the country to a terror
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organization and everybody's been
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promoted and everybody is just it's
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business as usual that's a problem this
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kind of incompetence is not going to end
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well so I mean I I have too many
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questions and I do want to Circle back
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to your initial point that Warfare is
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completely different a step changes you
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said but how on this thread how does the
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US Congress how do people who claim to
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support our troops back the military
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strong defense the the Liz Cheney wing
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of the of the Congress like how do they
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keep sending money to an organization
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that's increasingly incapable of
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defending the country I spoke to a bunch
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of members yesterday morning uh in
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Congress and they were at the point of
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Despair because they're trying to
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restrict the money and to bring some
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accountability and they said the the
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money is the the the the amount of money
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that is sprinkled around the capital by
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the defense contractors by the
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effectively the brigades worth of
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lobbyists thousands of lobbyists
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spreading tens of millions of dollars
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around politicians and they just keep
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the money train going it's it's really
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disgusting and the and the big thing I
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in the article I wrote recently it said
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um you know in Rome like when the Romans
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lost a whole bunch of people at the
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Battle of K yes when their Senate met a
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couple weeks later it was 40%
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undermanned why because the Roman Elites
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actually served in the military and bore
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the
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consequences of failure our Elites don't
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serve in the military they have very
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little skin in the game or no skin and
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so for them it's about it's it's about
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money and grift or they're children
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serving foreign militaries um so just
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back back to the technology itself which
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you've been watching all your life CU
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you've been around it all your life um I
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think you had the world's largest
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private Air Force at one point is that
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true uh we had 73
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aircraft that uh we owned and operated
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and flew into Garden spots for for the
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US it was fun um so what I I I I was
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just at a Blackwater
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reunion uh last weekend um and uh we had
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it at the Alamo uh and it was just it
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was really cool standing there on
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ground um because I didn't realize that
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across the street from the Alamo is the
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manger bar and that's actually where
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Teddy
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Roosevelt started the Rough Riders so
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there's all kinds of Rough Rider
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memorabilia in this bar raising a glass
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to a great
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American um and if I'd convinced Trump
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to change policy in Afghanistan to
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prevent the debacle which ended up
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happening I was going to call that unit
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the second us volunteer Cavalry the
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first Vol us volunteer Cavalry was the
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Rough Rider Sam on Hill exactly this was
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going to be two USV it would have worked
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Afghanistan would be stable we would
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have we would have saved America the
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embarrassment yes uh and and really that
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I'd say a a uh a pivotal moment for a
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massive collapse in American credibility
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and deterrence and it would have cost 5%
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of what the US was already spending so
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why couldn't I remember that very well
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and in my memory you were not making the
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case for a forever occupation you were
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making the case for a sensible draw down
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that didn't destroy the all the
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conventional forces could have left
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right 90% of the contractors could have
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left there would have been a small stay
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behind Special Operations Force 6,000
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contractors that's it um and and would
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have kept accountability for the tens of
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billions of dollars of us equipment that
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was already there and would have kept
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the government upright and you know
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there's
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now every Al-Qaeda every every crazy
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terrorist organization has set up shop
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there in Afghanistan again where we've
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not heard the last of Afghanistan it's
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really sad why and I remember again I
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remember that in fact I think we talked
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and I know we talked about it at the
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time and it seemed it seemed sensible it
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seemed kind of non- ideological
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practical how do we get this is kind of
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a cluster [__] how do we get out in the
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best way possible preserving our own
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interest to the extent that we can why
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didn't the administration the Trump
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Administration take you up on that I
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would say the same neocon Perpetual War
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presence in Washington that wants to do
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it the same way um that we've been doing
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for decades and I would argue losing
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doing that yes and it's about it's about
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money and power and perpetuation not
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about actually having a putting a bow on
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a bad situation but how do those people
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as they inevitably do seize the moral
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High Ground in the in the opening
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moments of the ideological battle and
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position themselves as like the
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champions of freedom and human rights
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when in fact their monsters like how do
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they how do they get away with that
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every single time I think it's a direct
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result of the all volunteer Force which
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seems a good idea I'm still supportive
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of it but it means it's a very um the
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people that actually serve that bear the
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cost of these overseas efforts is maybe
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one half of 1% of the population serving
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3 or 4% know that 1% and then 95% of
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America has no clue and no skin in the
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game and so they're easily bullsh*tted
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by the uh the posturing jackasses in
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Washington that's yeah that's why Dan
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crenchaw has a job um so I just want to
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get back to to the technology because
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I'm just I'm interested on behalf of all
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people who sense turmoil ahead and are
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say stockpiling
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ammo right I think there are people like
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that um is that fruitless given the
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Technologies
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um I would argue for Taiwan for example
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face faing a possible Invasion or issue
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from coming from mainland China the best
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thing they could do is Build a Home
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Guard because a well-armed well
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motivated people I mean as we showed in
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Afghanistan as the Taliban showed the US
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military yeah well motivated people even
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using weapons that are 70 years old can
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still beat a superpower with all the
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Techno gimmickry yes uh it's not the
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steel in the ships that make a great
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Navy it's the steel in the men right the
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steel in the crew
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but are you ever going to see another
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war between states that's won or lost on
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the basis of artillery
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tanks I mean is that have we are those
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the Cavalry Charges of today Cav
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artillery is still the king of battle as
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ukrainians are learning the hard way and
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the Russians have gone from you know if
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you shot at the Russians a year and a
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half ago it would take him about an hour
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and a half to shoot back accurately yes
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to GE
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locate um and to coordinate with their
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fire you know uh Fire Control centers to
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shoot back now they're down to about two
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or three minutes so they've learned and
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they're coordinating and they've gotten
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a lot better and it is wrong for us to
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assume that our kung fu is all that good
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right
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now and what role did drones play going
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forward to the extent You can predict
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and imagine it very significant um you
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know people say the tank is dead it's
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gone forever h it will go just like
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chariots were the attack helicopter of
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2,000 years ago uh they'll still be a
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role for tanks but people are going to
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have to figure out how to knock down the
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Swarms of incoming drones with hard kill
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and soft kill Etc um it is always going
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to you know Warfare is going to e and
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flow but the ability to program very
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sophisticated devices that fly very fast
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that are very hard to kill you know the
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the first strategic offset after World
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War II was nuclear weapons yes we had
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nukes then the Russians did and then it
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was about tonnage then the second offset
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was Precision Weaponry now everybody has
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Precision Weaponry so I would argue that
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the third offset that the US should try
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to
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pursue uh dominance and we're far from
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it is in an AI drone Innovation
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application and I would say the most
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Innovation that's happened has been in
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Ukraine and Russia right now and we are
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way behind because again Washington
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procurement people the the appr propes
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people in Congress keep spending money
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in the same way on the same stupid
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cartel of Defense
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contractors uh with the same failing
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result when at the bleeding edge of
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battle actual Innovation is happening by
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dudes in their garage in Ukraine that
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are fighting for their lives and they
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they've innovated but um and we we
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ignore that to our to our detriment so
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these are countries with fewer marketing
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majors and more Engineers coming out of
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there right marketing ma bad at creating
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drones they've done well at stem yeah
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they have done well and they're smart
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people which no one wants to say but
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it's true you may have come to the
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or socialist and capitalist right left
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the real battle is between people who
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what will drones be able to do do you
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think going in in 10 years what will
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that look
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like you could load a
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face and between Network surveillance
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and the the facial recognition on that
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drone find one person and fly into that
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person's head that fast seriously yeah
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so identity management privacy will
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become even more uh essential you think
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about how many cameras how much data is
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being constantly collected everywhere
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from street cameras from door knock from
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doorbell cameras from facial recognition
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at the
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airport
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um privacy is really under attack oh
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yeah well I've noticed and and now TSA
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has decided to take your photograph
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every time you walk through I went
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through yesterday and they had to you
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know stare into the screen and we'll
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assess your face I said to the guy is
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this mandatory and he said no it's not
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and I said [__] that I'm not doing that
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and he goes I agree with
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you like okay I mean but like what is
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that why are they doing
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that uh data aggregation because they
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can so it's not a good sign when your
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own government is gathering data on you
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is
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it um like why would they possibly need
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that why think about what what what what
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chipped our founding fathers off right
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paying some taxes on tea and land taxes
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and I mean I guess our idea of um uh of
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what we were resis over in terms of
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Liberty and government intrusion has
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been very steadily eroding and now it's
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I would say increasingly a steep curve
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of descent yeah and it does seem like
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the purpose of politicizing the military
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and making it left-wing anti-white
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protrans all this stuff which I think
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the right just sort of says well that's
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going to be a less effective military
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it's bad they make fun of it but that
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seems way darker to me I mean it does
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seem like it's being we weaponized
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against descent in the United
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States I I think you know the military
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was one of the most trusted institutions
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for sure and and I saw already even in
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the 80s Ian look I went to the Naval
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Academy in
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1987 and I left after a year and a half
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because I found the political
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correctness and the nonsense already
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then
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on the double standards that were
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pursued by the by Academy leadership
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while saying there are no double
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standards I just found ridiculous what
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were the double
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standards I remember going to the uh the
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oour the first time and they said
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there's this is one height of a of a
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wall to get over for one gender and one
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height for the other one and they said
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oh the standards are all the same but
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wait a minute they're Liars so yeah so
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just let's if you're going to if you're
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going to call it the same then be the
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same but at least let's be consistent
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and so the and the amount of recruiting
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for specific Sports teams of people that
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were completely unqualified to be there
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or to be naval officers was staggering I
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love the Navy I just didn't like
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the a school run by the federal
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government so so you I didn't fully
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realize it so you made it through the
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first year where people drop out yeah no
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I I I left halfway through my sophom*ore
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year I finished my finals so you did the
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hard stuff and you still dropped out
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yeah it's not that hard it's just you
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have to have a a high tolerance high
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tolerance for [__] that's all get
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yeah that's dropped in you I notice yeah
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yeah but I I I rolled to Hill still so
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you know went quite the opposite to one
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run by the federal government to one
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that accepted no federal funding at all
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interesting so even in 1987 why didn't
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anyone say anything about it because
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women don't fight different Wars
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presumably it would be the same War so
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that's like very obviously insane look I
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had no issue with women being at theem
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but at least make equal enforcement
00:20:02
that's all if it's going to you're going
00:20:03
to call it the same then be the same
00:20:05
that's fine and but I what I also found
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I went to Hillsdale and I joined the
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fire department of the local town and I
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learned more about small unit leadership
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there than I did in the very artificial
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learning lab that was the academy why'd
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you join the Fire Department in college
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because it was cool because it was fun
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come on I I got to do a lot of things in
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life but driving a fir Tru to a fire
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lights and sirens is definitely in the
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top
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how many kids in your class were in the
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fire department none not since then it's
00:20:34
been more of a thing but I was the first
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one ever at Hillsdale to join the fire
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department and it
00:20:38
was convincing the gruff firefighters
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and it was a full-time part-time so
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there's a couple of full-time guys but
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the rest were like a butcher and a trash
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truck driver and building contractor so
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convincing them that this snot-nosed
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college kid was okay to go through a
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burning building with them was there was
00:20:58
no small uh admissions process one of
00:21:01
the things I think is most interesting
00:21:02
about you which I know you hate to talk
00:21:03
about but um is the fact that you were
00:21:06
from an affluent family and so you
00:21:07
didn't actually need to do any of that
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at all why did you do
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that uh sense of mission sense of
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service and mostly a sense of
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adventure so you never thought like you
00:21:21
know we're rich I don't need to this is
00:21:23
just nonsense I'm going to no that was
00:21:25
never bummer on Europe for the summer
00:21:27
never part of the equation
00:21:29
why no I did no I did I got married uh
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between my Junior and Senior year and I
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took a long honeymoon and we went
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through Eastern Europe but the funny
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thing is we uh through Eastern Europe
00:21:42
what year was that that was 91 that was
00:21:44
as the whole Soviet Union was c yeah I
00:21:46
got married that year I remember and we
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went to um we went on the Baltic
00:21:50
Liberation tour with Pat Buchanan and
00:21:53
Lou Rockwell from the vesus Institute
00:21:55
and we went to uh Lithuania Latvia
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Estonia
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uh and we visited the government
00:22:01
buildings which were still surrounded
00:22:03
and occupied by Soviet interior Ministry
00:22:05
troops but they'd had free elections so
00:22:07
it was fascinating to see a place
00:22:09
literally at the inflection point of
00:22:10
embracing what month in 91 was this that
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was May okay so I got married that
00:22:16
summer also and I went to the mid ocean
00:22:18
Club in tuckerstown
00:22:19
Bermuda um it seemed more romantic than
00:22:22
Estonia what did your wife think your
00:22:24
Young Bride think when you're like we're
00:22:25
getting married but actually the
00:22:27
honeymoon is in eastern you're in this
00:22:29
like the hellscape of Eastern Europe
00:22:31
honey do you know anything about stalinist architecture I'm going to show
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you we road trip through but it was it
00:22:35
was really funny I I'll never forget um
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babe Buchanan bought an entire uniform
00:22:41
off of a Soviet Border guard a captain
00:22:44
for 20 bucks and we were at a restaurant
00:22:46
and comes back with a whole uniform on
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the hanger and 20 bucks and as we're
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leaving the country another one of our
00:22:51
group had a uh luggage that you have to
00:22:54
put through the scanner and
00:22:57
uh you can see in the scanner it looks
00:22:59
like there's a manhole cover in his
00:23:01
suitcase there's this huge disc the
00:23:04
Soviet Border guard opens a thing this
00:23:05
is a very big
00:23:07
problem how much to make the problem go
00:23:09
away $50 it was an entire bronze bust of
00:23:13
Lenin that have been yanked off a
00:23:14
building and my our friend was exporting
00:23:17
it so I thought you know if they're
00:23:19
selling Lenin for $50 off a government
00:23:21
building this is not long for Comm oh in
00:23:23
fact it was I think it was in August of
00:23:25
that year two months later it was done
00:23:27
that's incredible um so my final
00:23:30
question about the drones I mean is it I
00:23:33
is it a crazy thing to consider the
00:23:36
possibility that the government might
00:23:38
employ this technology against its own
00:23:40
citizens deploy it against its own
00:23:42
citizens if they're putting people if
00:23:44
people are still rotting in prison for
00:23:45
protesting at the capital on January 6th
00:23:48
if they're putting a woman got four
00:23:50
years in prison yesterday for protesting
00:23:52
outside an abortion clinic it's a
00:23:54
government at war with its own citizens
00:23:56
so why wouldn't drones be part of that
00:24:00
um entirely possible how hard are they
00:24:02
to shoot down with say a 12 gauge uh
00:24:05
that's actually one of the uh it's a big
00:24:07
problem for the small fpv drones they're
00:24:09
so small and small hard so hard to hit
00:24:11
it's almost like hitting a uh a Tagan
00:24:14
very hard to hit that bird very fast
00:24:16
very fast I know you love bird hunting
00:24:18
so I try to correlate it to you know or
00:24:20
maybe a very like a quail on cocaine oh
00:24:23
it's that tough yeah it sounds kind of
00:24:25
sporty so what is the defense so if Nets
00:24:29
net Nets Nets are Nets are a cheap
00:24:33
simple defense for small fpv drones
00:24:35
because it's a small charge if you can
00:24:37
keep the charge away from the target the
00:24:40
the small charge doesn't have that much
00:24:42
effect but you know P for plenty you can
00:24:44
always increase the the poundage my
00:24:46
sense is that police departments and
00:24:48
State Police have drones now for
00:24:51
surveillance yes for surveillance how
00:24:53
hard is it to to alter a surveillance
00:24:56
drone to become an offensive weapon
00:24:59
well the ukrainians and the Russians
00:25:01
have done that in their garages or in a
00:25:04
tent on the edge of battle pretty easily
00:25:06
okay so why wouldn't I mean if you care
00:25:09
about living in a non totalitarian
00:25:12
country if you care about America why
00:25:13
wouldn't someone say and say actually no
00:25:15
we're not you know we're just going to
00:25:16
pass a federal law that no law
00:25:19
enforcement or Intel agency or the US
00:25:21
military these things cannot be used
00:25:23
domestically against Americans period
00:25:24
under any circ*mstances or certainly not
00:25:26
armed or surveillance like why do you
00:25:29
need you know what it mean look for
00:25:32
for stopping a mass shooter or some
00:25:35
actual terrorism event it provides good
00:25:38
situation awareness and it protects the
00:25:40
cops who are trying to do an honest job
00:25:43
um but the the the the leakage in the
00:25:46
same way that the forever Wars of Iraq
00:25:49
or Afghanistan and all those
00:25:51
surveillance tools that the government
00:25:53
tells us they need to protect us the the
00:25:56
danger is certainly some of that Tech on
00:25:58
the arm side leaking back to be used
00:26:00
domestically that's a I don't see any
00:26:02
effort by the US government to stop mass
00:26:04
shootings in fact they seem to be
00:26:05
abetting them and time and time again
00:26:08
you find in the small print in the right
00:26:11
up after the shooting that the person
00:26:12
has been detained repeatedly by some
00:26:15
branch of government you saw a new valdi
00:26:16
the cops refused to go in and save the
00:26:18
kids as they were being executed etc etc
00:26:19
there just doesn't seem any will to stop
00:26:22
mass shootings there seems to be instead
00:26:24
yeah but I don't see that I I don't the
00:26:25
Uvaldi one was not a I I wouldn't say
00:26:28
that's not a top- down Federal
00:26:30
conspiracy that was individual
00:26:32
inadequacy of training because there's
00:26:35
because there's dozens of other ones
00:26:36
where the cops have just been
00:26:38
spectacular like in Nashville yes but
00:26:41
then you see the political correctness
00:26:44
of them being reluctant to release the
00:26:46
the the the writings of this trans
00:26:50
shooter who was out to kill Christians
00:26:53
right so great individual Valor by those
00:26:56
cops bad by by the cop leadership or the
00:26:59
law enforcement leadership by not
00:27:01
releasing the truth let's have a massive
00:27:04
disinfecting effect of Truth on this
00:27:07
situation so for sure but there's no
00:27:10
will obviously in the media to get to
00:27:11
that information so it's left to like
00:27:13
people on X to do it but I mean you've
00:27:15
been in and around the government since
00:27:17
you were 18 and shipped off to Annapolis
00:27:20
so do you think it's fair for the rest
00:27:22
of us who haven't to be skeptical of
00:27:26
massive increases in government power
00:27:28
military and law enforcement power that
00:27:30
are justified by some
00:27:32
threat like we should be highly
00:27:34
skeptical yeah Mass Shooters child
00:27:37
molesters human traffickers Islamic
00:27:40
terrorists like I I don't think the
00:27:42
government does a good job of protecting
00:27:43
us from any of those things but they've
00:27:45
certainly increased their power and
00:27:47
their power to kill me and my family on
00:27:49
the basis of those threats more on
00:27:51
poverty more poverty War on Drugs more
00:27:54
drugs war on terrorism didn't go so well
00:27:57
right
00:27:59
um and and just to that I know we're
00:28:01
jumping around but I I have too many
00:28:02
questions but um maybe we both suffer
00:28:04
from a little add well I mean there's
00:28:06
just a lot to go through so you were at
00:28:08
the center of the war on terror um more
00:28:11
than any other American I would say no
00:28:13
well I mean we had a we had our our
00:28:15
shoulder to the wheel pushing like
00:28:17
everybody else I but the the scale was
00:28:21
you know I don't think there's ever been
00:28:23
a more effective military contractor in
00:28:26
a in a war that I'm aware of in the
00:28:27
United States then than blackw which you
00:28:29
started and ran so but you know you were
00:28:33
subject to the policy makers as well and
00:28:36
as in the Afghanistan withdrawal not one
00:28:38
of them Not only was not like indicted
00:28:41
or punished but not a single one of them
00:28:42
sort of lost a step in career
00:28:44
advancement they all kind of went on to
00:28:46
the Atlantic Council or whatever or
00:28:47
their board seats or their board seats
00:28:49
on the big defense contractors so how so
00:28:52
since you watch that how did that happen
00:28:54
like how did Tori and nulan go from Dick
00:28:56
Cheney's office to being like the number
00:28:58
two person in the state department
00:28:59
overseeing the war in Ukraine like
00:29:02
that's just crazy to
00:29:04
me uh because it's at that it's almost a
00:29:08
uni party it is the party of big
00:29:11
government and big Washington and more
00:29:13
spending and more Warfare and 100%
00:29:18
wrong the guys that you serve with um on
00:29:22
in the SEAL Teams and that you know who
00:29:24
you've been around in the subsequent 30
00:29:26
years like how do they feel about that
00:29:28
like guys who did you know three or four
00:29:30
deployments or more the guys that
00:29:31
actually paid the cost of EX of bad
00:29:33
policymaker decisions yeah were their
00:29:35
friends commit suicide and they didn't
00:29:36
see their kids grow up or they got
00:29:38
killed or lost a limb like those guys
00:29:40
yep what do they think they're disgusted
00:29:42
they're
00:29:43
angry they're righteously angry because
00:29:46
it it they believe in the Republic when
00:29:48
you when you join the military you swear
00:29:50
to defend the Constitution against all
00:29:52
enemies foreign and domestic and you
00:29:55
kind of join thinking all those enemies
00:29:57
are going to be abroad but some of the
00:29:59
enemies of Liberty are probably here and
00:30:02
and when when a elite enriches
00:30:05
themselves and separates them from the
00:30:07
realities of consequences of
00:30:10
accountability that's a that's a
00:30:11
pendulum that swings out far but nature
00:30:14
has a way of swinging the pendulum back
00:30:16
to the middle and so that either gets
00:30:18
done in within the rule of law and
00:30:20
accountability or things can come apart
00:30:24
very quickly frighteningly it it's part
00:30:26
of the accountability is in informal
00:30:28
it's social pressure which is very
00:30:30
effective shame exactly and humor we
00:30:33
need first of all we need to just laugh
00:30:35
at the freaking incompetence I'd say
00:30:38
when you when you
00:30:39
track
00:30:42
um I made the last deployment on the USS
00:30:46
America an old uh it was a fuel fired
00:30:49
aircraft carrier and they used
00:30:53
to uh everything is measured on an
00:30:55
aircraft carrier especially The Landings
00:30:57
cuz it's all about the aviators and who
00:30:58
has the best launch and Recovery
00:31:00
especially the you know the Trap so they
00:31:02
measure which which wire you catch and
00:31:04
everything so once a month there's a
00:31:05
thing called the folkal Foles which is
00:31:08
the front of the ship below the flight
00:31:10
deck where the the chains come out of
00:31:12
the belly
00:31:13
Y and so all the airwing and the the
00:31:16
senior ship's crew would muster there
00:31:18
and they'd go through all the scores but
00:31:20
then it would go through the most
00:31:22
merciful merciless roasting of anybody
00:31:26
it was the most
00:31:29
vicious humor I've ever seen in my life
00:31:31
like guys who screwed up The Landings
00:31:33
screwed up The Landings the EXO the co
00:31:36
it was no holds bar it was fantastic it
00:31:39
was hilarious and very healthy and but
00:31:42
now that you've you have a much more
00:31:44
politically correct military you can't
00:31:46
do that at all they don't do that
00:31:49
anymore nope no but I mean if if you
00:31:54
can't
00:31:55
land an aircraft on a pitching deck of
00:31:59
an aircraft carrier I mean you put your
00:32:01
own life the hardware and the lives of
00:32:03
the sailors at risk correct right right
00:32:06
so the stakes could not be higher high
00:32:08
stakes very important
00:32:11
Mission literally lives on the line and
00:32:14
it's good to to reinforce good behavior
00:32:18
and to punish bad
00:32:20
behavior and and and shame and derision
00:32:23
of your peers matters so looking back since
00:32:27
again you you were so close to what was
00:32:31
happening during that whole period or at
00:32:32
least until maybe 2012 but for the
00:32:34
critical years you were like right there
00:32:37
who who do you blame
00:32:39
most for the mistakes made in
00:32:41
Afghanistan and Iraq and the subsequent
00:32:44
Wars who are the villains who shouldn't
00:32:46
get board
00:32:47
seats look any we went through like 18
00:32:51
different commanders 18 different
00:32:53
fourstar generals over the course of
00:32:55
Afghanistan got a lot of fourstar
00:32:57
generals we have as many generals now as
00:33:00
we did in World War II when we had 14
00:33:03
million men under arms so now you have
00:33:06
10% of that so you have basically 1.4
00:33:09
million underarms versus 14 and we have
00:33:12
the same amount of flag officers so yeah
00:33:14
we are massively
00:33:16
overstaffed and you think about all the
00:33:20
and this I mean they have no Indians
00:33:23
each fourstar General has a personal
00:33:25
Butler and a valet and a driver and a
00:33:29
cook and all those kind of uh quaint
00:33:32
18th century habits of staff that they
00:33:35
surrounded military generals with we
00:33:37
have that yet for our generals back when
00:33:38
generals were Brave though generals got
00:33:40
killed in the Civil War yes and not so
00:33:43
much
00:33:45
now so it's just it's just enormous the
00:33:48
the the there there can be a massive
00:33:51
winnowing of of headcount across the
00:33:55
board in Generals in staffs
00:33:58
and in civilians the tooth to tail ratio
00:34:00
of the military of like how many when
00:34:03
you say teeth people that put Warheads
00:34:06
on foreheads versus tail has gotten way
00:34:09
out of whack we have way too much tail
00:34:11
like an alligator sized tail with a
00:34:13
salamander size
00:34:15
bite it's it's just it's so unbelievably
00:34:18
corrupt so but but again the but again
00:34:21
no it's it's it's corrupt because we
00:34:23
just keep throwing money at it and no
00:34:26
one ever calls [__] a business
00:34:27
business that goes through a massive
00:34:30
growth
00:34:31
cycle everybody can get fat and sloppy
00:34:34
and lazy cuz you just there's always
00:34:36
more money and there we never have to
00:34:37
tighten a belt and so the the US
00:34:39
military has been on like a a um Crispy
00:34:44
Cream Bender of
00:34:47
donuts compounding amount of doughnuts
00:34:49
consumed every day and no one's ever
00:34:52
tightened them up and saying all right
00:34:54
today we're just ping and we're not
00:34:55
eating Donuts that's across our entire
00:34:58
government but especially in the
00:35:00
military which is supposed to exist
00:35:02
constitutionally to defend and deter and
00:35:06
and I don't think we're we're not
00:35:08
getting the money that we're spend we're
00:35:09
not getting the value that we're
00:35:10
spending money on right now no it seems
00:35:11
we're at a point where it's dangerous
00:35:13
yep um and it does seem I just want to
00:35:15
restate I don't know this as a dead
00:35:18
certain fact but I can feel it very
00:35:20
strongly I think the purpose of it is to
00:35:21
keep you know I think I think the enemy
00:35:24
that they're seeking to fight lives here
00:35:26
I mean I think this is a political
00:35:28
I think the policy makers feel that way
00:35:30
they're very anxious to control any
00:35:32
instrument of force I would
00:35:37
argue it's about for for the defense
00:35:41
contractors they just want to keep
00:35:42
selling expensive weapons right and they
00:35:46
will keep paying politicians to keep
00:35:47
buying the expensive
00:35:49
weapons I almost feel I don't feel sad
00:35:53
for the for the White House as they deal
00:35:55
with a problem like in Yemen where the
00:35:56
hoties have become long-range Pirates
00:35:59
and have shut off the entire Red Sea
00:36:01
like 50% of global container traffic
00:36:03
flowed through the Red Sea now it
00:36:05
doesn't Egypt is losing $800 million a
00:36:09
month in Lost toll fees from from
00:36:13
container traffic and all those ships
00:36:14
have to go all the way around South
00:36:16
Africa now to make it to Europe coming
00:36:18
out of Asia it's a big problem and I'm
00:36:21
sure the Navy the or the the the the dod
00:36:24
policy makers only provide the
00:36:26
administration
00:36:28
with the 50 and hundred billion solution
00:36:32
to go beat down the hoties to make them
00:36:36
behave and and in that article I wrote I
00:36:39
just come back to there's such a
00:36:41
constant rejection of market-based
00:36:43
private sector
00:36:45
Solutions because the Saudis and the
00:36:47
Israelis actually had this problem back
00:36:49
in the 60s when uh there was a war in
00:36:53
Yemen and they hired David Sterling the
00:36:56
founder of the SAS he went there with 30
00:36:58
guys and they kicked ass and it worked
00:37:01
and it was cheap and simple and
00:37:02
practical and in in this article I wrote
00:37:06
uh just is a is a Litany of those kind
00:37:09
of rejections and that's my frustration
00:37:11
because I provided a lot of those
00:37:12
options even to deter the Ukraine war in
00:37:15
the first place you know um when
00:37:20
um pretty I I my internal Intel sources
00:37:25
gave me pretty good idea that already in
00:37:27
December of 21 3 months before The
00:37:29
Invasion that the Russians were going to
00:37:31
invade that it was not a it was not a
00:37:34
song and dance and so I wrote a paper
00:37:37
proposing a combination of lend lease
00:37:40
and Flying Tigers to deter the war
00:37:43
because in 1940 when Britain was really
00:37:46
in it the US gave 50 destroyers bunch of
00:37:49
aircraft guns gave it to the Brits we
00:37:53
also provided aircraft and allowed us
00:37:56
Pilots to take lead and go to work for
00:37:58
the Nationalist Chinese to stop the
00:38:00
Japanese from bombing cities called The
00:38:02
Flying Tigers yeah in this case and we
00:38:06
aring yeah and made it possible to go
00:38:09
from Moscow to to Berlin to to stop the
00:38:12
Nazis
00:38:15
but Biden could have done one very
00:38:18
simple thing he could have
00:38:19
announced okay no war necessary in
00:38:22
Ukraine they're never going to join part
00:38:23
of NATO but they're at least going to
00:38:25
have an Air Force because there was
00:38:27
already 200 aircraft set to retire from
00:38:29
the US Air Force to be flown to the
00:38:32
desert in
00:38:33
2022 50 F5s 50 f16s some a10s already
00:38:38
written down to zero value to the
00:38:40
taxpayer they're going to be flown to
00:38:42
the desert to the Boneyard and parked
00:38:43
for eternity transfer those to
00:38:46
ukrainians would have been less than a
00:38:48
billion dollars prevent the
00:38:50
war and the discussion of NATO done but
00:38:53
they wanted the war
00:38:55
obviously apparently why or they or they
00:38:58
believe their own [__] that they
00:39:00
that their power points and their
00:39:03
posturing would dissuade look I I I I
00:39:07
understand why the Russians get orary
00:39:08
about it because if if the the Russians
00:39:11
the Chinese were looking to make uh the
00:39:14
northern provinces of Mexico into active
00:39:17
parts of a Chinese or Russian Alliance
00:39:20
we'd get or about that well obviously
00:39:23
right they're putting if they put you
00:39:25
know look at what happened when they put
00:39:26
missiles Cuba in 1962 but missiles in
00:39:29
Tijana that would be unacceptable right
00:39:31
so my question is and this is is all
00:39:33
complex and delicate and you know I
00:39:36
understand to some extent but what I
00:39:38
don't understand is sending kamla Harris
00:39:40
to the Munich security conference and
00:39:42
saying at a press briefing with cameras
00:39:44
rolling to zalinsky we want you to join
00:39:46
NATO you only say that if you want a war
00:39:49
you want the Russians to invade like why
00:39:51
would they want
00:39:53
that I I
00:39:58
maybe maybe they're just that
00:40:00
dumb I don't think and I think they are
00:40:02
dumb I mean they're well they're
00:40:03
definitely Tony blinkin I mean really
00:40:06
dumb having a rock concert in
00:40:09
Kiev during massive combat operations
00:40:12
while the Ukrainian Army is getting
00:40:14
crushed he just he just visited and he's
00:40:17
up there on stage he's up there on stage
00:40:19
with his guitar it's like that is Nero
00:40:22
fiddling while Rome Burns here it is
00:40:26
[Music]
00:40:32
[Music]
00:40:36
so yeah I mean he's a child obviously um
00:40:40
and and like an angry destructive child
00:40:42
but what happens like where does this go
00:40:45
we send another $60 billion to
00:40:47
Ukraine most of that money goes to five
00:40:51
major US defense contractors yes to
00:40:53
replace at five times the cost with the
00:40:56
weapons cost that we already sent the
00:40:57
ukrainians meaning you know if we send
00:41:00
them something that was built 10 years
00:41:01
ago well now it's going to cost four and
00:41:03
five times as much so again it's a
00:41:06
massive grift paid by a pentagon that
00:41:08
doesn't know how to buy stuff cost
00:41:10
effectively it doesn't change the
00:41:11
outcome on the battle the the as t as
00:41:14
the fields
00:41:15
dry it's may now coming up on Tank
00:41:19
season the was it Tank season
00:41:23
again weather still matters in Warfare
00:41:26
and um you know if you have a a wet snow
00:41:30
covered Farm field it's very muddy very
00:41:34
gooey not great for tanks mud season mud
00:41:37
season I think the Russians call it the
00:41:39
great rasputit*a the great slush yeah
00:41:41
that's done now and uh as June comes
00:41:46
it'll be game on and I think the Russian
00:41:47
bear is hungry and uh and they're going
00:41:50
to have a time so the war should have
00:41:52
been ended never should have started it
00:41:55
they should have made a deal froze the
00:41:56
lines
00:41:58
six months into it but the Biden
00:42:01
Administration believed
00:42:03
that uh all this American Weaponry would
00:42:07
have saved the day it hasn't and it's
00:42:10
ugly and you know the Russian the
00:42:15
Russian commanders are not idiots they
00:42:16
know their history the Battle of KK
00:42:19
which happened just north of where the
00:42:20
fighting is now was the largest tank
00:42:23
battle in history it was the last
00:42:24
offensive effort of the of the ger Army
00:42:27
against the the
00:42:28
Soviets and they tried to push from the
00:42:31
north and south on this Salient it was a
00:42:34
bulge and the Russians knew they were
00:42:36
coming and so they built lots of lines
00:42:38
of defenses the same thing they've done
00:42:40
now that they did last summer which ate
00:42:42
up all that equipment and now the
00:42:46
ukrainians are very thin they've had a
00:42:47
lot of corruption issues all the
00:42:49
defenses that were supposed to be built
00:42:50
by the ukrainians are much smaller or
00:42:53
non-existent and so now it's allowing
00:42:55
maneuver and especially as the tanks is
00:42:57
the fields dry and you can maneuver it's
00:42:59
going to be a very ugly summer very ugly
00:43:02
summer what do you think the Russians
00:43:04
want uh I'd say now they want to
00:43:07
absolutely humiliate the
00:43:08
west and make sure that they never have
00:43:10
a problem with Ukraine
00:43:13
again that seems
00:43:15
achievable I'm afraid so what happens to
00:43:19
Ukraine I don't know if it survives as
00:43:21
an independent country if they take
00:43:22
Odessa if they take the ability for
00:43:25
Ukraine to export its grain
00:43:28
um that really threatens the long-term
00:43:30
economic viability maybe maybe it goes
00:43:33
back to look Western Ukraine used to be
00:43:36
part of Poland right eastern Ukraine
00:43:38
used to be part of Russia so you know
00:43:40
maps maps move depending on um you know
00:43:45
military victories Drive diplomatic
00:43:46
breakthroughs so you think and right now
00:43:48
the Russians are winning and they're
00:43:49
going to have a very good summer is
00:43:51
there anybody who's knowledgeable on
00:43:53
this subject who believes Ukraine can
00:43:55
quote win which is to say push Russian
00:43:58
troops all the way back to the to the
00:44:00
old Russian border well I didn't really
00:44:03
believe it ever um oh I know that but I
00:44:06
I I don't um I don't know who's advising
00:44:09
the White House at this point or who
00:44:11
they're listening to but um they
00:44:12
probably need to change out their
00:44:14
advisor list but so but then you have
00:44:17
the Secretary of State our buffoonish
00:44:19
secretary of state Tony blinkin um
00:44:23
Boomer parody uh showing up and telling
00:44:26
the ukrainians during his Rock concert
00:44:28
that you know we're with you forever
00:44:30
like how could you say something like
00:44:31
that when I've never met a single person
00:44:33
who knows anything about the region who
00:44:35
thinks ukrainians will achieve Victory
00:44:37
no matter how much money we send them
00:44:39
how could you say something like that
00:44:40
it's good money after bad and all we're
00:44:42
all we're doing now is facilitating the
00:44:44
demise of of Ukrainian men and
00:44:47
destroying them for future Generations
00:44:49
so how many have died I I I've asked
00:44:51
members of Congress who are funding this
00:44:52
stuff hundreds of thousands but but why
00:44:55
I here's what I understand if you're
00:44:57
paying for this war which the United
00:44:59
States is the US Congress is Mike
00:45:01
Johnson is don't you have a moral
00:45:03
obligation to know its consequences like
00:45:06
how can you just how can you get up
00:45:08
there with a Ukrainian lapel pin and
00:45:11
talk about the brave Ukrainian people
00:45:12
who are being killed by the hundreds of
00:45:14
thousands and you don't even keep track
00:45:15
of the casualties like aren't you kind
00:45:17
of a monster for doing that I don't
00:45:19
understand and you look at if you if you
00:45:21
made the pictures of the modern battle
00:45:23
space on the front a little grainy in
00:45:25
black and white yeah it's
00:45:27
indistinguishable from the Battle of the
00:45:29
s or World War I well that's what
00:45:31
exactly right artillery a grinding
00:45:34
crushing pointless loss of
00:45:36
humanity but it's being embedded by our
00:45:39
policy makers like they they they're
00:45:41
responsible for this to some extent like
00:45:43
what and and it it's it's shocking how
00:45:46
unip party government has become you
00:45:49
don't seem shocked that they don't care
00:45:51
about how many ukrainians have died they
00:45:53
don't care about how many US troops die
00:45:56
really good point no it's totally for
00:45:57
Point too because they because they'll
00:45:59
send they'll send US troops to war with
00:46:01
a whole bunch of co*ckamamy Rules of
00:46:04
Engagement and policies and it's just
00:46:06
not a serious way to wage Warfare the
00:46:08
the the the whole premise of gwatt was
00:46:12
that we could by surgic by American
00:46:15
magic and precision we could always just
00:46:17
clip off the head of the snake and the
00:46:19
whole body would die of the snake and
00:46:21
that's just that flies in the face of
00:46:23
every kind of Warfare when you look back
00:46:26
to
00:46:27
World War II we killed off 30% of the
00:46:31
German male population World War I same
00:46:34
American Civil War same uh the the the
00:46:37
Continental Wars in Europe in the 17
00:46:39
1800s back to the Punic and pelian Wars
00:46:43
you destroy their Manpower the logistics
00:46:45
and their Finance this cutting off the
00:46:48
head of the snake is a Fool's
00:46:50
errand is there any precedent for it in
00:46:52
history no so I thought a sort of a key
00:46:55
component of education at the military
00:46:57
cies was military
00:46:59
history no I'm I'm serious and you I
00:47:02
mean you're a living example of it you
00:47:04
you went to one and you know an awful
00:47:05
lot about your business I didn't read I
00:47:08
didn't learn that at the Academy really
00:47:10
no no that's a lifetime of curiosity I I
00:47:14
was a military history geek as a kid
00:47:16
when we my family went to Normandy when
00:47:18
I was 11 and uh you know I was the tour
00:47:21
guide sword gold Juno Beach Pegasus
00:47:24
Bridge all that yeah I was I was that
00:47:27
but I mean nerdy geeky kid so do you
00:47:29
think your average like modern flag
00:47:30
officer is just sort of not aware of the
00:47:33
history of warfare I'm sure they get
00:47:35
some level of it but they have not made
00:47:37
it a career I I would say the best book
00:47:41
I read on General officers was a one it
00:47:45
was a British military study it's called
00:47:47
the psychology of military
00:47:49
incompetence and it and it went through
00:47:52
five of the biggest disasters in British
00:47:54
military history like the surrender at
00:47:56
Singapore yeah cartoon yeah cartoon
00:47:59
Baghdad in World War I of course the
00:48:01
Afghan withdrawal yes um into P yes and
00:48:07
and it went and it compare literally
00:48:09
looked through the guy's childhood where
00:48:11
he went to school his relationship with
00:48:13
his father all the rest and very
00:48:16
consistent themes and uh what were they
00:48:20
um they were very bookish very geeky not
00:48:25
uh not self
00:48:27
um no
00:48:29
introspection yeah so they're Tony
00:48:32
blinking basically just not not a people
00:48:35
able to say okay this is not working
00:48:38
we're going to we're going to attack
00:48:39
we're going to attack the boat because
00:48:41
the this is not working in this
00:48:42
direction and so the they're weak men in
00:48:44
other
00:48:47
words yeah look the the the anomaly of
00:48:50
Patton is doesn't occur very
00:48:54
often Patton who's been minded since his
00:48:58
death um remarkable human being um and
00:49:01
of course you know Hollywood is I don't
00:49:03
know how many movies they've done
00:49:04
telling us Patton was bad um but you
00:49:07
know there are some suggestion that
00:49:08
Patton was also murdered do you think
00:49:09
that that's
00:49:10
possible it'd be a hell of a difficult
00:49:13
well I don't know if the traffic
00:49:15
accident the Jeep rollover yeah was an
00:49:18
accident but then but he survived it and
00:49:20
then died
00:49:21
later I I man I don't know but he hated
00:49:24
the Soviets he hated communism oh I know
00:49:27
so what I don't want to get too far a
00:49:29
field here but I I that does seem like a
00:49:33
pivot point in world history where that
00:49:35
war you know April
00:49:37
1945 Hitler kills himself Berlin is
00:49:40
occupied by the Russians etc etc we we
00:49:42
win in Europe and then we sort of like
00:49:45
kind of pivot toward the Soviet Union
00:49:47
for a few years till maybe the
00:49:48
rosenbergs Orly before well and even the
00:49:51
amount of Communists agents that were
00:49:53
surrounding Roosevelt oh well Hopkin
00:49:56
Harry opkins is literally Soviet agent
00:49:59
yeah right so um but like why did that
00:50:04
happen like how do we fight this war for
00:50:06
freedom and then wind up S handing
00:50:09
Poland to Stalin for example or on the
00:50:11
side of the totalitarian handing all of
00:50:13
those countries the war of course yeah
00:50:15
it it showed uh so how is this a war for
00:50:18
Freedom if we're handing an exhaustion
00:50:20
of moral leadership yeah I think who was
00:50:23
that who do you think if we could hold
00:50:25
one person responsible Truman was
00:50:27
President yeah Roosevelt was dead so as
00:50:30
Churchill said he died in the traces but
00:50:34
I think
00:50:35
um I I think when you look at history
00:50:39
the the LIE of socialism communism it is
00:50:43
such a it's it's easy for elitists to
00:50:46
love that Paradigm because it's because
00:50:49
the because the rightwing Austrian
00:50:51
school economics approach is massive
00:50:55
decentralization yeah decision making at
00:50:58
the micro level a farmer knows what
00:51:01
prices are has a good idea what demand
00:51:03
is going to be decides whether he's
00:51:05
going to plant more Acres that that year
00:51:07
or not and takes that risk himself the
00:51:10
Soviet planner says I need everyone to
00:51:13
plant this many acres and we're going to
00:51:15
do it at this price and it's it's the
00:51:17
LIE of individual incentive versus
00:51:21
massive Central planning to the
00:51:23
betterment of elite thinking right with
00:51:26
with the grift that goes with it and
00:51:28
that's just a that's like a mindworm
00:51:31
disease that so many people continue
00:51:33
generation after generation continue to
00:51:35
fall for yeah it's a mom based system
00:51:38
whereas the let the farmer figure it out
00:51:40
it's a dad based
00:51:41
system yeah it's true yeah what are you
00:51:44
a farmer like how do you know like
00:51:46
that's what your dad says your mom's
00:51:47
like no let's let's get it
00:51:49
all sorry but that's why I'm I I I'm so
00:51:53
excited to see melee having success in
00:51:55
Argentina
00:51:57
for a guy and maybe it's analogy to to
00:52:00
America because he got sick of I mean
00:52:02
you know at the end of World War II cap
00:52:04
per capita living standards in Argentina
00:52:06
were higher than Switzerland yes
00:52:09
panistas socialists take over they run
00:52:12
the company they were in the country
00:52:14
basically off the cliff
00:52:15
hyperinflation e economic wreckage
00:52:18
terrible melee gets sick of not only the
00:52:21
panistas but the pathetic so-called
00:52:23
right-wing opposition which is not
00:52:25
opposition he starts his own political
00:52:27
party and he wins I mean I like any guy
00:52:31
that'll campaign with a chainsaw I agree
00:52:33
with that you think that'll happen
00:52:36
here I don't think the Republican party
00:52:38
is really that salvageable anymore no of
00:52:40
course because it's been gobbled up by
00:52:44
corporatists yes and the you know the
00:52:48
defense industry now spreads money
00:52:50
equally right and left not even really
00:52:53
right just across the Washington
00:52:55
Insiders
00:52:57
uh so yeah maybe an entirely new
00:52:59
political movement that's why Trump is
00:53:01
transformational because he kind of came
00:53:02
outside the Republican party right and
00:53:04
did it and um I hope he can I hope he
00:53:08
can move the needle somewhere in the
00:53:09
right direction because it's it's
00:53:10
teetering so I got to ask you personal
00:53:12
question we were in the Middle East
00:53:13
together not that long ago and I noticed
00:53:15
two things one um you flew coach to the
00:53:19
Middle
00:53:20
East um which obviously you don't need
00:53:22
to do but you did it on purpose I think
00:53:25
you that is your custom um were the same
00:53:27
age 3 weeks apart and I think most like
00:53:31
why would you do that and the second
00:53:32
thing I noticed is you went from there
00:53:34
to some far more obscure part of the
00:53:37
world um so like explain those things if
00:53:41
you
00:53:42
would I
00:53:46
um when I I got out of the SEAL Teams
00:53:49
earlier than I wanted to I loved being a
00:53:52
seal I was pretty good at it I think and
00:53:55
um I would have had nice career going
00:53:57
there for those who don't know the story
00:53:59
if you could explain why you got out oh
00:54:01
my dad died um and when I was 25 and my
00:54:06
wife got cancer no I was 26 she was 29
00:54:09
and she got cancer so I got out to sort
00:54:11
out the home front and that's really why
00:54:12
I started Blackwater just as a way to
00:54:14
stay connected to the SEAL Teams um I
00:54:17
knew nothing of business nothing of Land
00:54:19
Development nothing of Government
00:54:20
Contracting but I kind of knew what the
00:54:23
Special Operations Community needed and
00:54:26
building that business was um was a
00:54:29
really great experience it was it was
00:54:31
family policy for my dad to not come and
00:54:35
work in the family business after
00:54:36
college you had to go do your own thing
00:54:38
I had no I I I didn't want anything to
00:54:40
do with this business I was not I don't
00:54:43
think I was really suited for it and um
00:54:45
but I was going to come and work with
00:54:47
him after 12 years or so of being a
00:54:49
seal starting Blackwater building it was
00:54:52
one of the most satisfying things I've
00:54:54
ever done in my life cuz bringing
00:54:56
together
00:54:57
people with great talents that were
00:54:59
really good that they'd gained in the
00:55:01
military and they'd retired or or gotten
00:55:03
out and having it smashed the way it was
00:55:07
really left a bad taste in my mouth and
00:55:09
I'll be honest I carry a big chip on my
00:55:11
shoulder yet for and I try to keep it in
00:55:15
perspective so look I had a business
00:55:17
that was crushed and lost thousands of
00:55:19
guys lost their lives their limbs their
00:55:20
mental health their spouses over a badly
00:55:24
run war in two theaters by by idiot
00:55:27
Washington Elites same idiots that
00:55:29
smashed my
00:55:30
business um so yeah I got a chip on my
00:55:33
shoulder to do
00:55:34
something big and effective and
00:55:36
spectacular again and run hard until
00:55:39
that happens or or I die trying but I
00:55:41
mean you know 54 55y Old guys who've
00:55:44
been successful which you have been
00:55:45
despite having your business smashed
00:55:47
they don't fight coach like what is that
00:55:49
is that like a just a Spartan impulse or
00:55:51
you just don't want to get soft you get
00:55:52
there at the same
00:55:53
time yeah but it's I could I fly so much
00:55:58
that anyway look just weird I know we're
00:56:03
the same age I know how this work look
00:56:05
I'm not I'm not an AB I'm not a purist I
00:56:08
do fly business class 10% of the
00:56:11
time I mean that's that's fine if you're
00:56:14
flying to Fort Lauderdale from DC or
00:56:16
something but you know Dubai's a long
00:56:18
way I just think it's very very
00:56:19
interesting learn to sleep in any
00:56:20
position so that's what it that's what
00:56:22
it is yeah yeah I like that what's the
00:56:25
weirdest place you've been
00:56:28
recently why are you always in
00:56:32
Africa um what do you do for a living
00:56:38
Eric I feel like I knew you pretty well
00:56:41
not really sure I would say there are
00:56:44
lots of countries that um need help
00:56:50
organizing with the basics of tax
00:56:53
collection and security assistance and
00:56:55
border security and uh police advisem*nt
00:57:00
because what we take for granted in
00:57:02
America if you want to start a business
00:57:04
in
00:57:05
America you can call a law office in
00:57:08
Delaware get a business in two hours for
00:57:11
200 bucks it's simple and you can get
00:57:13
title to your land here you can get a
00:57:15
bank account you get a business license
00:57:17
you can you can do all those things that
00:57:19
make Capital formation possible there
00:57:22
are so many parts of the world where
00:57:23
that's not possible and so providing
00:57:25
them the very basic means of a reliable
00:57:28
Police Department or the means to
00:57:33
stop gangs Jihadi gangs criminal gangs
00:57:37
whatever so I do provide some advice to
00:57:39
countries how to do that from time to
00:57:41
time I I judging by what little I know
00:57:45
of your travel schedule it seems pretty
00:57:47
frequent that's interesting so since you
00:57:50
are everywhere all the time um and most
00:57:53
Americans are including me sort of only
00:57:56
dimly aware of what's happening around
00:57:57
the world name three places we should be
00:57:59
paying more attention to now than we
00:58:02
are the Chinese Communist party has been
00:58:06
very active in
00:58:08
Mexico um the fentel crisis is very much
00:58:12
you know last year fentel in America
00:58:14
killed like 109,000 people
00:58:17
yes um it is funded organized
00:58:22
logistically facilitated by the Chinese
00:58:25
Communist party to to move the precursor
00:58:27
chemicals that are actually made near
00:58:28
Wuhan China shipped to either Venezuela
00:58:31
or Mexico fabricated in Fentanyl and
00:58:34
basically blended with other common
00:58:37
drugs that people are taking and it
00:58:39
doesn't make any sense to do so because
00:58:41
why would a drug dealer want to kill his
00:58:44
customers that's what's happening and it
00:58:46
is an absolute it's a [__] you from the
00:58:50
CCP against the West for the Opium Wars
00:58:53
of the 1840s
00:58:56
and it's done to to murder American
00:58:58
children 100% yes and just to be clear
00:59:01
these are not junkies who like took too
00:59:04
much these are kids who ordered off
00:59:08
Instagram yes or a a a a a bootleg peret
00:59:12
or something yeah exactly exactly and so
00:59:14
they're people dying and that is you
00:59:17
trace that and I can show all that going
00:59:21
right back to Mainland China why
00:59:23
wouldn't why are we sending all these
00:59:25
armaments to Ukraine and we could bomb
00:59:27
those facilities in Mexico if they're if
00:59:29
killing excuse me 100,000 Americans you
00:59:31
don't you don't need to bomb fire is an
00:59:34
underutilized
00:59:36
tool that's true well it's happening
00:59:38
here I I noce there quite a few
00:59:40
manufacturing and agricultural
00:59:42
facilities that seem to be going up in
00:59:43
smoke in this country yeah and so look
00:59:46
at the same and and and on
00:59:48
that the last time blinkin was in
00:59:50
Beijing he didn't even call him on it to
00:59:53
say stop he said well no it's yeah maybe
00:59:56
some of the stuff is coming from China
00:59:57
but it's really just a shipping
00:59:59
accidental shipping problem I mean it's
01:00:04
it is such a denial of reality it's it's
01:00:06
hard I mean you're so I guess what
01:00:08
you're saying is you're not speculating
01:00:09
about this this is known
01:00:12
100% do the intell agencies I assume
01:00:14
know this yeah but nobody wants to do
01:00:16
anything
01:00:19
why I think the um you have an agency
01:00:24
that doesn't want to do their job which
01:00:26
agency the CIA because I think and I
01:00:29
know you have rightly very mixed
01:00:31
feelings on the CIA
01:00:33
H however the mission of the CIA if you
01:00:37
think about the state department can
01:00:39
handle 5% of issues diplomats and
01:00:42
embassies you want your military over
01:00:45
here your conventional military it's a
01:00:46
big Angry Dog waiting to be let off
01:00:49
leash that hopefully never
01:00:51
is the middle of the world those those
01:00:54
problems
01:00:56
you think about how the Soviet Union was
01:00:58
really undermined in the 80s there was n
01:01:01
there was 20 covert action findings that
01:01:03
were signed couple by Carter mostly by
01:01:06
Ragan done to undermine the Soviet Union
01:01:08
economically politically culturally
01:01:10
socially and that was done under title
01:01:13
50 authorities and that worked without
01:01:15
having to involve big military
01:01:18
expenditure there are if you want to
01:01:20
stop like how we know we know fentel is
01:01:23
a problem we know the Chinese are a
01:01:25
problem doing it
01:01:27
that's specifically what the title 50
01:01:29
authorities are for to say to six guys
01:01:32
go make that problem
01:01:35
stop I I and if you have an agency that
01:01:37
doesn't want to do their job that's why
01:01:39
it's not happening but they seem to be
01:01:41
doing so many other things I mean I
01:01:42
apped to C my dad worked with CIA I'm
01:01:44
not I was never against CIA I thought
01:01:46
only like dumb liberals were against CIA
01:01:49
you know and Traders or whatever so my
01:01:51
views on CIA have evolved based on
01:01:53
things that I have seen and personally
01:01:55
experienced
01:01:56
and my conclusion is not that everyone
01:01:59
there particularly you the
01:02:01
paramilitaries I know a million of them
01:02:03
seem like great guys whatever but on
01:02:04
some like basic level it seems totally
01:02:06
out of control to me I it is I mean when
01:02:10
you have the leadership of the
01:02:13
CIA this Havana syndrome is a real thing
01:02:16
what does that mean it's a um it's
01:02:19
effectively a microwave weapon that's
01:02:21
been used
01:02:22
to effectively uh blast the brains of
01:02:26
Americans working out of embassies first
01:02:28
in Havana Colombia
01:02:31
Delhi Hanoi
01:02:34
Vienna Washington
01:02:36
DC lots of places okay hurting severely
01:02:41
hurting Americans serving abroad and the
01:02:44
CIA director
01:02:47
says it's all in their minds it's Bia
01:02:50
yeah it's that that's wrong when your
01:02:52
people are getting screwed by a so so
01:02:54
you think that's it's I don't have a
01:02:56
view on that I mean I'm sort of I I
01:02:58
don't know the answer but I'm
01:02:59
sympathetic to open to both
01:03:01
possibilities being true but you think
01:03:03
based on evidence that this is
01:03:04
absolutely real yes I know it to be real
01:03:08
wow who's doing this and why it was a it
01:03:12
was a it was a uh a device that was
01:03:15
developed in the Soviet Union in the uh
01:03:17
early 70s actually in Ukraine so and the
01:03:21
I think the K uh development plant not
01:03:24
that it had nothing to do with your now
01:03:27
but it's a
01:03:28
um uh it's about the size of a um uh
01:03:32
like a beverage cart on an aircraft that
01:03:34
size device uh and it's very damaging
01:03:37
and and the fact that the Russians can
01:03:39
do that to us without
01:03:40
consequences it it shows how how
01:03:44
pathetic they view the CIA and the US
01:03:46
government to not push back on
01:03:47
consequences so CIA it what motive would
01:03:51
they have to pretend this wasn't real
01:03:53
cuz it would require push back somewhere
01:03:56
somehow but they're literally fighting
01:03:58
Russia in Ukraine CIA is all over
01:03:59
Ukraine fighting
01:04:01
Russia good question I mean put it this
01:04:04
way they don't like me enough that I was
01:04:07
uninvited from a dear friend's
01:04:08
retirement 10 days ago oh I bet I bet
01:04:10
they don't like you and you've obviously
01:04:12
worked with them most of your life right
01:04:14
I we did a lot of great work for
01:04:16
them 100% success rate but yeah look
01:04:21
people the wrong people being in charge
01:04:24
the agency has also gotten hyper bloated
01:04:27
basically the same number of case
01:04:28
officers that there's always been for 25
01:04:30
years but the place has grown tenfold of
01:04:33
all the wrong kind of people under you
01:04:36
know the decision making of a guy like
01:04:37
Brennan yes and why does Brennan hate
01:04:40
the actual do the director of operations
01:04:42
because he's a failed case officer he he
01:04:44
flunked out of school I mean how did a
01:04:46
guy that voted for Gus Hall in 1976 who
01:04:50
was Gus Hall Gustavo Hallberg he was the
01:04:52
Finnish American head of the American
01:04:55
Communist party in New York City exactly
01:04:57
how does a guy vote for the head of the
01:04:59
Communist party in 1976 at the height of
01:05:01
the Cold War and then pass whatever
01:05:04
background check the agency is doing and
01:05:06
have a security clearance I find that
01:05:08
stunning he retains his security
01:05:10
clearance because the last
01:05:11
Administration refused to strip him of
01:05:12
his security clearance despite the fact
01:05:14
he was actively working to undermine a
01:05:16
democratically elected president yeah no
01:05:18
I know the the the levels of betrayal
01:05:20
and self- betrayal are just almost
01:05:22
mindboggling let me ask you specifically
01:05:24
about what the CIA does in Ukraine
01:05:26
so I think it's fair to say based on
01:05:28
what even the New York Times has
01:05:30
reported that the uh the CIA is is
01:05:32
running effectively the Ukrainian Intel
01:05:36
services I don't know I honestly don't
01:05:39
know that I'm certainly they have theyve
01:05:41
been there advising and supporting but I
01:05:43
think the
01:05:44
ukrainians probably grew frustrated at
01:05:48
um uh will you know lack of uh lack of
01:05:52
willingness to do certain things so I I
01:05:54
I don't know where the US support ends
01:05:57
and where the Ukrainian unilateral stuff
01:05:59
begins so but they I asked because
01:06:00
they've assassinated people I think they
01:06:03
tried to assassinate me for example but
01:06:04
they definitely killed Alexander duan's
01:06:07
daughter um they you know allowed an
01:06:11
American critic of the Ukrainian
01:06:14
government to die in prison lra Gonzalo
01:06:17
lra and you're sort of like well wait a
01:06:20
second if this is a proxy war and we're
01:06:22
overseeing it then is the US government
01:06:26
aware of this responsible for it like
01:06:28
what US government should protect
01:06:30
American citizens but clearly and and if
01:06:34
you had a honest look Deon Nunes did a
01:06:38
good job as the chairman of the hipy of
01:06:41
trying to dig into the nonsense and he
01:06:43
obviously met all kinds of resistance
01:06:45
but he had fight in him now the
01:06:49
Republican oversight of the Intel
01:06:50
committee or of of the Intel agencies
01:06:52
completely inadequate but even then and
01:06:54
I I I like to have a lot um but they're
01:06:56
those guys are all afraid of the CIA as
01:06:58
you know they're afraid of them they
01:07:00
know they're being spied on by CIA or
01:07:02
NSA or or any you know FBI they know
01:07:05
they're being members of Congress that
01:07:06
are supposed to be in charge of
01:07:08
overseeing these agencies are being
01:07:10
spied on by them they're fully aware of
01:07:13
that I know because they've told me to
01:07:15
my face I'm not guessing and that's just
01:07:17
that's not democracy that's like totally
01:07:19
crazy yeah that's that's like Marcus
01:07:22
wolf and the stazzy that's EXA that's
01:07:25
exactly right the East German referee
01:07:27
the most because the stazi was way more
01:07:29
effective than any other Intel service
01:07:31
even the KGB yes it was the embodiment
01:07:34
of German efficiency Innovation and was
01:07:37
like the only effective institution in
01:07:39
the entire country
01:07:40
Al what does that mean everything was in
01:07:42
order yeah nice so and then I know that
01:07:48
CIA runs businesses like runs businesses
01:07:51
outside the country and those are
01:07:54
sources of income for the agency that
01:07:57
like how can a government agency run
01:07:59
businesses I don't understand that and
01:08:01
profit from them I am I am truly not
01:08:02
aware of any of that okay um but how do
01:08:07
you rein it in I mean because it of
01:08:08
course could be an essential tool of
01:08:11
diplomacy statecraft of you know the
01:08:13
projection of power I mean you could see
01:08:14
how CIA could be helpful to your country
01:08:16
the agency is the most easy to reform of
01:08:18
all federal
01:08:19
agencies Civil Service rules don't apply
01:08:22
yes you can fire anyone for any reason
01:08:25
that fact you could clean house have
01:08:27
have a all hands meeting at the bubble
01:08:29
on a Friday yeah and send 50% of them
01:08:32
home send them out to send them out to
01:08:35
their cars and tell them we'll ship your
01:08:36
stuff from your desk you could clean it
01:08:38
out that fast but why does no one do
01:08:43
that maybe no one's had the balls as the
01:08:45
Director or the deputy director to do
01:08:47
that do you believe CIA has in the last
01:08:51
25 years use violence against any
01:08:53
American citizen
01:08:56
uh yeah Barack Obama killed a American
01:08:58
citizen and his 16-year-old son correct
01:09:00
alak in uh in
01:09:02
Yemen right and that's publicly known
01:09:05
but there you know there all sorts
01:09:07
of you know there's evidence that
01:09:10
there're that's not an isolated maybe
01:09:12
there's more but I know that one y so
01:09:14
you don't think it's crazy to assume
01:09:18
that um entirely possible I well there's
01:09:22
a lot of there's a lot of people that
01:09:24
are considered American citizens that
01:09:26
prob shouldn't be considered American I
01:09:27
agree with that but an actual America
01:09:29
some here yeah yeah fair but the left
01:09:33
has so devalued citizenship right it
01:09:36
should mean something to be an American
01:09:38
I mean a Roman citizen it meant
01:09:41
something oh some a Venezuelan gang
01:09:43
member who's here illegally is every bit
01:09:45
as American as you who born in western
01:09:47
Michigan so yes I'm quite quite aware of
01:09:50
that um anchor babies Birthright
01:09:53
citizenship all of that must go
01:09:56
yeah you wonder you know if we've
01:09:58
reached a point where that it's
01:10:01
impossible for the country to act in its
01:10:03
own interest just because of the changes
01:10:05
due to immigration I I read a lot of
01:10:08
history and I know that things have been
01:10:09
a lot worse in certain
01:10:11
societies and um corrective events can
01:10:15
be shocking and traumatic to people but
01:10:17
it's still
01:10:19
possible um CIA and not just CIA but FBI
01:10:23
and other agencies
01:10:26
supposed to be enforcing the law and
01:10:27
Gathering intelligence have this has
01:10:29
been shown withheld information from
01:10:31
democratically elected presidents a
01:10:34
number of them certainly Trump that's a
01:10:37
crime is it not yeah and and and it
01:10:39
should be met with immediate discipline
01:10:41
and and that's a matter of having people
01:10:45
that will follow through and Wade
01:10:46
through the bureaucratic process and and
01:10:49
exercise The Authority that they're
01:10:51
charged with doing right if you when you
01:10:53
join the military you swear to the
01:10:55
Constitution against all enemies foreign
01:10:57
domestic we should probably do something
01:11:00
similar for any civilian employee of the
01:11:02
federal government that they swear to
01:11:03
defend the Constitution not swear
01:11:05
allegiance to a political leader of
01:11:06
course not
01:11:08
Constitution right but it's not a
01:11:10
constitutional republic if you know
01:11:13
unelected employees of the federal
01:11:15
government ignore the elected employees
01:11:17
yeah well that's something uh love it or
01:11:20
hated at Blackwater every contractor
01:11:22
that worked for us swore to defend the
01:11:24
Constitution the same oath they swore
01:11:27
when they joined the military or law
01:11:28
enforcement they swore it again in our
01:11:31
presence as a reminder that we're here
01:11:33
to
01:11:34
serve so um I want to ask you about
01:11:37
spying uh on American citizens so we
01:11:40
know that it's widespread it's
01:11:42
accelerating data is being collected
01:11:44
about every single one of us and the
01:11:46
vector for a lot of that is the
01:11:48
phone so it's it's like super useful of
01:11:51
course um but it's also the main
01:11:53
vulnerability if you care about privacy
01:11:55
and freedom so you've created a phone
01:11:58
that allows people to to some extent to
01:12:00
opt out of the current spying regime let
01:12:04
me let me back up to where I guess where
01:12:07
this started you know if you think about
01:12:09
after
01:12:11
911 suddenly holy [__] all these federal
01:12:14
agencies are waking up and how do we
01:12:16
prevent this kind of conspiracy and
01:12:18
attack against this again and so they
01:12:19
start looking at data but of course in
01:12:22
911 we didn't have smartphones
01:12:26
but as smartphones become
01:12:27
available and the uh technology that
01:12:31
goes around a smartphone because what is
01:12:33
a smartphone it's basically a highly
01:12:35
capable personal computer in your hand
01:12:38
yeah that's constantly linked to a
01:12:39
network yes and so as ad data and the
01:12:43
private sector always innovates much
01:12:45
faster than governments do and so as
01:12:48
Apple and Google mobile
01:12:50
services um start developing phones they
01:12:53
put ad ID and tracking information on
01:12:57
those phones why to to microt Target you
01:13:02
to sell
01:13:03
advertising they they they gather and
01:13:05
collect micro information about you so
01:13:08
that they can sell Precision information
01:13:11
to advertisers who want to sell you
01:13:12
stuff can you give us a sense of what
01:13:14
that what that information is what what
01:13:15
do they know about you well an
01:13:17
advertising ID is a it's like a 25
01:13:21
digigit alpha numeric code that sits on
01:13:23
your phone and it enables to collect
01:13:27
where you go what you buy who you call
01:13:30
and what you browse it even works with
01:13:33
the apps sitting on your phone which are
01:13:35
also built with a software developer kit
01:13:39
come that comes from Google and they
01:13:41
they pay you more to put the Google
01:13:43
hooks in so that those apps can also
01:13:46
turn on the microphone on your phone or
01:13:50
the camera or the GPS so that your phone
01:13:54
yes it's a computer computer but
01:13:55
effectively becomes a mobile microphone
01:13:59
collection listening device that's fits
01:14:02
in your pocket or sits in your
01:14:04
nightstand and it collects anything and
01:14:07
everything about what you do and so it's
01:14:09
been it's almost been like a slow
01:14:12
boiling of a frog because
01:14:15
we as smartphones become common it
01:14:19
becomes very convenient and it's
01:14:21
wonderful and it becomes more and more
01:14:24
uh pervasive in our lives providing us
01:14:26
music and news and Communications and
01:14:29
and um pictures and videos of our
01:14:31
family every bit of that data is
01:14:34
collected analyzed parsed and resold to
01:14:38
advertisers that's the five leading big
01:14:42
tech companies have a combined market
01:14:44
cap that's like the third or fourth
01:14:45
largest nation in the world off of that
01:14:49
surveillance capitalism model so as
01:14:53
smartphones have become available
01:14:55
it slow boiled all of us into a point of
01:15:00
holy [__] and I guess for me the oh [__]
01:15:03
moment was after the 2020 election and
01:15:05
seeing the power that big Tech had to
01:15:08
sway that
01:15:09
election and to then coordinate to to
01:15:13
control
01:15:15
who um who could speak who could speak
01:15:18
on certain platforms and zering out
01:15:20
certain people and I actually had a tech
01:15:23
team together at the time doing a
01:15:26
forensics thing and in a rage phone call
01:15:30
I said [__] it we're going to build a
01:15:33
phone and we pivoted and that
01:15:37
team uh then started working and uh yeah
01:15:40
we we built a phone um as a as an answer
01:15:44
because we're never going to make big
01:15:45
Tech change by whining about it they way
01:15:48
too much money and way too much power we
01:15:51
have to provide a means for people
01:15:53
to communic at
01:15:56
freely securely and most importantly
01:15:59
that they can control their data I think
01:16:02
it's inherently American that we accept
01:16:06
we we expect privacy As Americans if you
01:16:09
think about the Constitution first
01:16:11
amendment is free speech freedom of
01:16:13
religion freedom of assembly second we
01:16:15
know what that guarantees the first
01:16:18
what's the third amendment what's what
01:16:20
was most important for the founding
01:16:22
fathers privacy get get these damn
01:16:25
British troops out of my house of course
01:16:27
no quartering act cuz there was actually
01:16:29
British soldiers being put into people's
01:16:32
houses privacy Fourth Amendment the
01:16:36
right to privacy in our in in the
01:16:40
searches of our personal data yes what
01:16:43
big Tech has created in surveillance
01:16:47
capitalism is more pervasive and more
01:16:50
intrusive than anything you could ever
01:16:52
possibly it's more it's more pervasive
01:16:55
than Marcus wolf of the stazzy or Bara
01:16:58
of the KGB of the nkvd could ever
01:17:01
possibly imag anything that happens in
01:17:03
contemporary North Korea yes exactly and
01:17:06
we give it away and we give it away
01:17:09
freely and so people still close the
01:17:11
bathroom stall when you go into the
01:17:13
toilet you still close the shower
01:17:15
curtain we still do lots of things that
01:17:18
we expect to have a a privacy but yet
01:17:22
people with a regular phone put on their
01:17:25
nightstand and are surprised that the
01:17:27
microphone is listening I've had so many
01:17:30
people I've talked to
01:17:31
about they said I was talking to my wife
01:17:35
about needing a new mattress in our
01:17:37
bedroom and the next day they're getting
01:17:39
advertising for mattresses which means
01:17:42
the camera or the phone was listening to
01:17:44
them in their bedroom with all the
01:17:47
follow-on conclusions to be drawn from
01:17:49
that yeah given what happens in healthy
01:17:52
bedrooms that's a I mean so what happens
01:17:56
to those recordings well we've been
01:17:58
doing a study following our device a
01:18:02
Google mobile services phone any Android
01:18:05
running Google mobile services which is
01:18:06
all of them or an iPhone and about 3
01:18:10
a.m. we're seeing a spike of data
01:18:13
leaving the phone about 50 megabytes
01:18:17
that is basically that phone dialing
01:18:19
home to the Mother Ship exporting all of
01:18:22
your goings on all your pillow talk is
01:18:24
going to talk whatever right so
01:18:28
Zuckerberg paid $20 billion for WhatsApp
01:18:32
why because every message call video
01:18:36
picture voice note everything that goes
01:18:39
through there they say well it's end end
01:18:40
encrypted yeah it's end to end until it
01:18:44
passes through their server where it's
01:18:46
sliced and diced and analyzed and used
01:18:49
to push used to sell advertising to that
01:18:52
customer if you're not paying for
01:18:54
something you're not the customer you
01:18:56
are the product so if you want to get
01:19:00
well I think people people right now are
01:19:03
used to Mark Zuckerberg listening from
01:19:05
their nightstand every night because
01:19:07
that's effectively what what your phone
01:19:10
he like the creepiest person in world
01:19:13
history if he's listening to what's
01:19:14
going on in your bedroom because they're
01:19:16
able as big Tech to shape that message
01:19:19
that's that's the frightening thing
01:19:21
about the power of big Tech and their
01:19:23
ability to to influence what you watch
01:19:27
what you think about candidates if you
01:19:29
search something how they how they score
01:19:31
those rankings it's uh it is shocking we
01:19:35
have an antitrust problem here in
01:19:37
America vastly worse than in the early
01:19:41
19 late 1800s early 1900s with oil and
01:19:44
Railways this is not sugar trust this is
01:19:47
more
01:19:48
important yeah this is literally how we
01:19:51
communicate and interact with other
01:19:52
human beings in our lives how we
01:19:55
and and and share information about the
01:19:59
realities of Life of food of Medicine of
01:20:03
vaccines of healthc care issues of of
01:20:07
Truth and so it's in especially in an
01:20:09
era of
01:20:10
AI it's scary stuff the average kid in
01:20:13
America by the time they reach the age
01:20:15
of 13 has had 72 million data points
01:20:19
collected on them by big
01:20:22
Tech so
01:20:25
so it's almost like uh that that much
01:20:27
collection allows digital
01:20:30
Grooming by big Tech to to share and to
01:20:33
shape your preferences how you interact
01:20:36
ET including your sexual preferences I
01:20:38
mean if you're being honest here yeah
01:20:40
exactly considering that young people
01:20:42
are introduced to sexuality through
01:20:43
p*rnography yep yeah um given that
01:20:48
there's no privacy it's probably pretty
01:20:49
dumb to watch
01:20:51
p*rn yeah nothing's private right
01:20:55
so um what happens to all this data well
01:21:01
now obviously that's it's used and
01:21:03
stored I mean if you it's it's the the
01:21:07
uh the bloom of data centers surrounding
01:21:10
all these Tech hubs around America
01:21:13
is horrific and all that data is being
01:21:16
collected and stored and and can I ask
01:21:19
you just a far a field question might
01:21:20
interested so given that those data
01:21:22
centers are some of the biggest users of
01:21:25
electricity they're like a steel plant
01:21:27
okay yeah massive electricity draw and
01:21:30
using electricity is of course
01:21:32
destroying the planet and accelerating
01:21:34
climate
01:21:35
change why are the climate change
01:21:37
zombies defacing paintings in museums
01:21:40
and not protesting data
01:21:43
centers it's a I would say
01:21:47
they're if if they were coming after
01:21:49
data centers then they would be getting
01:21:51
a Non-Stop stream of of social media
01:21:54
messages of why they should be attacking
01:21:56
art instead of data well exactly but
01:21:58
like why why are the AI ghouls why is
01:22:01
Mark Zuckerberg why are they not climate
01:22:03
criminals why am I a climate criminal
01:22:05
for having a wood stove in a Silverado
01:22:08
but but the people who run data centers
01:22:10
which literally draw more power than
01:22:13
with 100% back with 100% backup as well
01:22:15
right so I'm not against using energy
01:22:18
I'm Pro energy actually and cheap energy
01:22:19
but but by the current
01:22:22
rules they're criminals
01:22:24
so why does no one call them
01:22:27
criminals um because big Tech has
01:22:31
shockingly uh complete control over how
01:22:34
that messaging is yes over our minds and
01:22:36
what we
01:22:38
think sorry sorry but that you brought
01:22:41
it right back to the point which is and
01:22:43
and so
01:22:44
now Congress including a lot of
01:22:48
Republicans in their
01:22:51
idiocy have not only extended fisa right
01:22:54
fisa started as the foreign intelligence
01:22:56
surveillance act 1977 is yeah supposed
01:23:00
to be measuring monitoring how you
01:23:03
collect intelligence uh Communications
01:23:07
going to
01:23:08
foreigners now FIS is really all about
01:23:11
Americans um I guess we're treated as
01:23:13
foreigners by our own
01:23:15
government uh and and so the federal
01:23:18
agencies got sick of getting beat up
01:23:20
when they'd come before Congress for
01:23:23
millions of times
01:23:25
illegally accessing what was supposed to
01:23:27
be fisa
01:23:29
unauthorized Communications
01:23:32
information and for
01:23:35
buying all this commercial data that's
01:23:38
that's collected and held and
01:23:40
disseminated by big Tech to facilitate
01:23:43
advertising and typing and measuring
01:23:47
where you go what you buy who you call
01:23:49
what you browse everything about you in
01:23:51
a way that any any previous intellig
01:23:54
Ence boss would have salivated
01:23:58
over so now the new fisa it's not an
01:24:01
extension it's a massive enlargement
01:24:04
says that any federal agent for any
01:24:06
reason without probable cause or a
01:24:09
warrant can compel any company that
01:24:12
holds any of that personal data to turn
01:24:15
it
01:24:17
over
01:24:18
allowing a massive fishing Expedition on
01:24:21
anybody that's considered a an opponent
01:24:24
of that off the reservation federal
01:24:27
agent it's really disgusting really I if
01:24:31
it's not a a um stampa tea party uh 1775
01:24:38
moment I don't know what is but it is
01:24:40
ultimately your government having cart
01:24:42
blanch to do a digital proctology exam
01:24:45
on you with no questions asked well
01:24:49
considering that these companies Hold
01:24:52
You Know audio of you having sex with
01:24:54
your wife video of you watching
01:24:56
p*rnography like stuff that you know
01:24:59
audio of you telling racial jokes or
01:25:01
whatever like your most
01:25:04
intimate moments the ones that could be
01:25:07
used to Blackmail and destroy you doing
01:25:09
things you would not do in public and
01:25:11
shouldn't do in public like that's just
01:25:13
that's the ultimate power isn't
01:25:16
it yeah I guess um you either have to
01:25:20
not give a [__] and fight anyway yeah or
01:25:24
try to live virtuously too helps that
01:25:26
always helps yep so how does your phone
01:25:31
protect people against again this like I
01:25:33
said this uh this era started three and
01:25:36
a half years ago and we came at it from
01:25:38
a completely contrarian view yeah this
01:25:42
phone uh it's our Hardware made in
01:25:45
Indonesia at a Singaporean
01:25:47
facility um our operating system all our
01:25:51
code and we are solely focused fed on
01:25:55
data sovereignty that you control it's
01:25:58
pretty cool just that I am kind of
01:26:01
impressed that you made Hardware you
01:26:04
didn't just build an app like you
01:26:05
actually because you have to control it
01:26:07
down to the root level of of the
01:26:10
hardware and the software so that our we
01:26:13
don't have an advertising ID and our
01:26:15
operating system blocks any any attempt
01:26:19
by any app to turn on your camera or
01:26:23
your Wi-Fi or your microphone or your
01:26:25
GPS or anything we don't allow any of
01:26:27
that leakage in fact we have a privacy
01:26:30
Center this is called the unplugg this
01:26:32
is an unplugged phone and this is a
01:26:35
effectivity a firewall which prevents
01:26:38
apps from doing all the things they used
01:26:40
to doing on all the other phones so
01:26:43
you're in control of what of your data
01:26:47
goes out which is
01:26:50
effectively zero this is like a this is
01:26:53
like a safe comes in doesn't come out
01:26:56
so I'm just to bottom line it I'm
01:26:59
protected from what am I protected from
01:27:02
if I use that here's the
01:27:03
thing the the uh if you're using apps
01:27:07
and some federal agency goes to that app
01:27:10
Pryor and says uh give me everything you
01:27:12
have on Tucker that he's been using on
01:27:13
that app there'll be nothing because
01:27:15
there's no data leaking from you from
01:27:18
your device to that to that app if um if
01:27:22
you call somebody we have our own secure
01:27:24
messenger for example you want to call
01:27:26
and make a secure call and you call me
01:27:29
it takes about 5 Seconds to connect
01:27:31
because it's literally creating a
01:27:33
encrypted tunnel between you and me
01:27:36
generates a new encryption key every
01:27:38
call it's completely different so the
01:27:41
government hates that and there have
01:27:42
been all kinds of legal battles over
01:27:44
this question they don't want secure
01:27:46
communication between citizens because
01:27:48
all of a sudden they care about human
01:27:50
trafficking or something yes and their
01:27:53
their latest excuse
01:27:54
for this uh massive F enlargement was
01:27:58
drug trafficking drug trafficking right
01:28:00
cuz they've been failing for 40 freaking
01:28:01
years at that well they just opened the
01:28:03
southern border to Fentanyl and human
01:28:05
trafficking so these exact same people
01:28:06
are suddenly really worried about human
01:28:08
trafficking and drugs yeah it's just
01:28:10
it's a it's a joke so we've
01:28:13
um we uh we produced 500 units fielded
01:28:16
them last fall we did a big data big
01:28:20
beta test and now we have 10,000 units
01:28:22
so people can order and and deliver and
01:28:25
look it's uh it is our effort to uh to
01:28:28
fight the power of what can't I do I
01:28:30
mean I'll just confess that I use an
01:28:32
iPhone made by a company I actually kind
01:28:35
of hate and that hates my country and me
01:28:38
and I use it anyway because it's and we
01:28:40
figured there's a lot of people like you
01:28:42
that would want to digitally opt out of
01:28:44
the LIE of big Tech and so what you
01:28:46
can't do obviously we don't have the
01:28:48
Apple Store uh we don't have apple music
01:28:50
but you can use Spotify you can use um a
01:28:54
lot of the other streaming services on
01:28:55
here we just prevent them from
01:28:57
collecting your data as to what you're
01:28:59
listening to or or where you are when
01:29:01
you do it what about pictures of course
01:29:03
you can take
01:29:05
pictures and you can share pictures you
01:29:07
can send pictures we have a lot of the
01:29:09
other privacy related apps whether it's
01:29:11
signal or threa or proton or telegram we
01:29:16
have nobody done this so everyone
01:29:18
complaints about this everyone who pays
01:29:19
any attention at all understands plus
01:29:21
the iPhone's incredibly expensive um um
01:29:24
but they have a hammer lock on your life
01:29:27
and so this seems like a pretty obvious
01:29:30
other people have tried it before and
01:29:32
they they burn through a lot of money
01:29:35
and I don't think the timing is right
01:29:36
they're not flying coach to Dubai are
01:29:39
they we we we did this man you are Dutch
01:29:43
I love that like coach to
01:29:47
theie for ex this phone also has a kill
01:29:50
switch an
01:29:51
actual uh switch which separates the the
01:29:54
battery from the electronics you can't
01:29:55
shut your iPhone off oh I know it's
01:29:57
always listening it's always pinging
01:29:59
Towers it's always pinging Wi-Fi
01:30:01
building a digital breadcrumb trail of
01:30:03
where you go and what you do this even
01:30:05
if I turn the iPhone off it's not off
01:30:07
correct this you turn that off it's off
01:30:10
because it physically separates battery
01:30:12
from Electronics it's just like pulling
01:30:14
the battery out of an old uh Nokia phone
01:30:16
so I'm sorry I interrupted you so this I
01:30:18
I love this of course it's incredibly
01:30:21
ambitious but also on some level it's
01:30:23
kind of obvious why haven't we had this
01:30:24
before so you said people have tried
01:30:26
they spent too much money and then I
01:30:27
interrupted you and they tried maybe
01:30:29
just with an app and just with an app
01:30:31
doesn't work and and people have tried
01:30:33
to do it with a reskinned Google phone
01:30:36
we have this this phone is incapable of
01:30:38
running Google mobile services so you're
01:30:40
not going to get Google Maps we have a
01:30:41
way to navigate that works well but
01:30:44
again so many of the the fremium
01:30:47
approaches where they've been boiling
01:30:49
the Frog of the American of the people
01:30:51
of the
01:30:52
world um we provide them a digital
01:30:55
alternative to that where you are in
01:30:56
control of your first amendment rights
01:30:58
and your Fourth Amendment rights how how
01:31:01
amen how hard is it to text people who
01:31:03
don't have that
01:31:05
phone um it's just we look it emits
01:31:08
electrons so ultimately you can see if
01:31:10
it's on a tower or not but we even
01:31:12
provide it with a with a Sim uh with a a
01:31:16
Sim provider a data
01:31:17
provider uh a network airtime provider
01:31:20
that um collects the minimum amount
01:31:23
basically all they need needed your ZIP
01:31:24
code of where you're buying it that's it
01:31:26
no but what I'm saying is if I am using
01:31:27
an unplugged phone and my wife has an
01:31:29
iPhone I can text her
01:31:31
yes sure and she can even put unplugged
01:31:35
Messenger on her iPhone as well how much
01:31:38
more expensive is that than an iPhone
01:31:39
this is
01:31:40
$989 so it's cheaper about $500 cheaper
01:31:43
and it's comparable in speed storage
01:31:46
camera quality can you actually get one
01:31:49
yeah you can order it at uh unplug
01:31:54
uh we will look we're we're big
01:31:57
Believers we're big believer in your
01:31:58
audience I'm a art long Ardent fan and
01:32:02
uh we think uh your fans are our people
01:32:05
and so we are happy to
01:32:07
compensate them and uh and you guys and
01:32:10
we want to we want to win in this
01:32:12
together and give people a digital
01:32:13
alternative to Big Tech owning their
01:32:16
lives man I I so if I mean it's not a
01:32:20
threat to Apple right now but if if
01:32:23
there's big up it could be so what how
01:32:25
do you expect them to try and stifle
01:32:27
competition it's Monopoly sure they want
01:32:29
to retain Monopoly status look if you
01:32:32
search for if you do a Google search for
01:32:35
unplugged phone or things like that they
01:32:37
tend to stack every negative article
01:32:39
possible written about it first oh there
01:32:41
have been bad pieces written of course
01:32:44
of course of course the the left will
01:32:45
always uh come after me and and hate on
01:32:48
me for anything thing is is it a racist
01:32:50
phone the left used to be about free
01:32:53
speech and now they're really about kind
01:32:55
of State control but um does the phone
01:32:57
deny the election in 2020
01:33:00
just I would argue that um the the phone
01:33:05
cares about your first and Fourth
01:33:07
Amendment rights and and and since um
01:33:10
the erosion of that privacy I just want
01:33:12
to encourage everyone to use cash yet as
01:33:14
well don't don't go to these you know
01:33:19
anyone that says that goes to these
01:33:21
these woke coffee shops and they say we
01:33:22
don't accept cash anymore
01:33:24
look on the front of a dollar bill it
01:33:26
says this note is legal tender for all
01:33:28
debts public and private no one has the
01:33:31
ability to deny you using cash so leave
01:33:34
them the right change on the table and
01:33:36
tell them to have a nice day they cannot
01:33:38
make you pay with a credit card that's
01:33:40
that is that is actually insurrectionist
01:33:43
if these businesses are denying you the
01:33:45
ability to use legal tender of the
01:33:46
United States government I I had never
01:33:48
thought of that has anyone tried that oh
01:33:51
yeah I make an issue of it all the time
01:33:53
to my kids
01:33:56
um uh embarrassment but yeah I'm a big
01:33:59
ad cash is freedom with the amount of
01:34:02
data that is collected on you
01:34:05
everywhere you want to buy gas buy gas
01:34:08
pay cash whatever but the the what what
01:34:12
what we see in
01:34:14
China where they really don't accept
01:34:16
cash anymore and it should become the
01:34:19
ultimate surveillance State that's where
01:34:21
we're heading unless Free People unite
01:34:24
and resist that kind of totalitarian
01:34:26
impulse of big government and big Tech
01:34:28
working together in China they you have
01:34:31
to pay with a with a WeChat app so you
01:34:34
do your banking through that you acquire
01:34:36
tickets for a bus an airplane a train
01:34:39
through that you pay road tolls through
01:34:42
that everything is through this app
01:34:45
controlled by the state and so before
01:34:49
they even go to a central bank digital
01:34:51
currency they literally have you by the
01:34:53
s and they can zerial at that point
01:34:56
instantly correct and so we did this as
01:35:01
because for free people to be able to
01:35:03
live in a free Society they have to
01:35:05
communicate they have to be able to hold
01:35:07
and store data um and and and be able to
01:35:10
gather that data without someone else
01:35:12
filtering it through an App Store that
01:35:14
the bad guys control that the that the
01:35:17
big government guys
01:35:18
control um you know the the where do you
01:35:23
get cat
01:35:25
from a bank so do you it sounds like a
01:35:28
stupid question but there seem to be
01:35:30
fewer
01:35:31
ATMs I don't think that's my imagination
01:35:33
in fact it's not sure yeah they don't
01:35:35
want you to use cash there's a d
01:35:36
emphasis on cash right so if cash equals
01:35:39
freedom I could not agree with you more
01:35:41
and there's something kind of old school
01:35:43
and cool about it anyway um but I still
01:35:46
remember my dad having $500
01:35:48
bills yeah why don't we have those
01:35:50
anymore we on drugs
01:35:54
really yeah that would be a great thing
01:35:56
for the next president of the United
01:35:58
States what does that mean War on Drugs
01:35:59
so they just they stopped was a war on
01:36:01
cash to to cut out illegal activity that
01:36:05
was paid for in cash William McKinley is
01:36:07
on the $500 bill I think they should
01:36:09
bring it back and put Donald J Trump on
01:36:11
it can you imagine the heads exploding
01:36:14
yeah that'd be pretty wild you know so
01:36:18
much of this explosion of government
01:36:21
Perpetual Wars and Perpetual govern
01:36:23
stupidity comes back to very unsound
01:36:26
money and when we went off the gold
01:36:29
standard when Nixon did how was it done
01:36:34
was it a vote through Congress no was it
01:36:36
debated it was an executive order which
01:36:40
means you can go back on with executive
01:36:41
order as well where are you on gold I'm
01:36:45
very Pro gold it is for Millenia been a
01:36:48
store of value and I'd
01:36:51
say uh digital blockchain currencies
01:36:56
also interesting it's hard look anything
01:36:59
is of value if someone recognizes it as
01:37:02
a medium of exchange right right I mean
01:37:04
there was a there was a tulip inflation
01:37:07
in the Netherlands in like 500 years ago
01:37:10
yes but tulips were currency tulip bulbs
01:37:13
um so lots of things can become if if
01:37:16
things currency ever created if things
01:37:18
get really
01:37:21
scary ammunition will be currency yes
01:37:24
always has been yes I I I've had that
01:37:27
thought personally you you're St up I
01:37:30
mean it's should dogs I have a lot of
01:37:31
dogs too um so I feel like dogs will be
01:37:33
more valuable at some point um but uh so
01:37:37
you so are you a gold buyer without
01:37:38
getting too specific about it some yeah
01:37:41
but I
01:37:42
mean for heaven sakes started a company
01:37:45
which took on not one but two multi-
01:37:47
trillion dollar
01:37:49
companies because you know that was a
01:37:53
dumb crazy idea you know three and a
01:37:55
half years ago so that's that's I've
01:37:57
been investing in this capability for
01:37:59
people to communicate securely and
01:38:01
freely and I hope it works what are the
01:38:04
and it will never be a public company
01:38:06
we've taken no institutional money it
01:38:08
will be a private company not subject to
01:38:12
the SEC and all the other nonsense it's
01:38:14
not even an it's not even a American
01:38:16
registered company because I didn't want
01:38:19
the US government to be able to shut it
01:38:21
down yeah it's interesting again we
01:38:23
haven't done uh had a conversation
01:38:25
really about your personal story which
01:38:26
is one of the most amazing personal
01:38:27
stories of anyone I've ever met but um
01:38:31
among the many twists and turns and
01:38:33
ironies of your life is that someone as
01:38:36
patriotic as you was basically at one
01:38:38
point forced to flee to a foreign
01:38:40
country well I didn't flee I went there
01:38:42
for a job opportunity but I'd been uh
01:38:45
attacked
01:38:47
unbelievably oh I remember talking about
01:38:49
putting you in jail I remember that
01:38:51
every Federal agency in the world was
01:38:53
coming after us and I paid paid about
01:38:56
$2.5 million a month for 2 years
01:38:59
straight in legal fees I paid the
01:39:02
highest per capita fine in State
01:39:04
Department history it was the only
01:39:05
Federal agency that actually stuck us
01:39:07
with something because we had no means
01:39:08
to contest it because they at that point
01:39:11
we were working for the state department
01:39:13
doing Diplomatic Security protecting
01:39:14
Americans something we did more than a
01:39:16
100,000
01:39:18
times with no state department or Us
01:39:21
official ever killed or injured on our
01:39:22
watch
01:39:24
and sometimes the state department would
01:39:25
be demanding I need 50 more men here I
01:39:28
need 30 more men there go immediately
01:39:31
but another part of the state department
01:39:33
the licensing department of the
01:39:34
directorate of Defense trade controls
01:39:36
moving at the speed of p uh at the speed
01:39:38
of Peace
01:39:40
time would be slow rolling on the
01:39:42
licenses the export license for like
01:39:44
body armor or helmets right or guns used
01:39:48
by our people working for the state
01:39:50
department and yeah I'm not going to
01:39:52
send a guy naked to a war zone so we'd
01:39:54
send stuff to do that mission for the
01:39:57
state department in Iraq or Afghanistan
01:39:59
or whatever and so yeah that was what
01:40:01
they had us over the barrel so they
01:40:03
finded me $42 million for that did you
01:40:05
pay had
01:40:07
to yeah Hillary Clinton why didn't she
01:40:12
like you I don't know didn't like your
01:40:14
Vibe I guess not that so
01:40:17
much she doesn't fly coach um once again
01:40:22
where did where do people watching get
01:40:24
that so I've been very active in the
01:40:27
media but they can go to unplugged.
01:40:29
comom Tucker simp very active in the
01:40:32
media in other words you're out there
01:40:33
talking about this yeah I'm for for lack
01:40:36
of a better spokesman I'm kind of it for
01:40:38
now but we're we're looking for more if
01:40:39
you'd like to be
01:40:40
it um but yeah no people can order and
01:40:43
they'll get it uh within uh 36 hours
01:40:46
usually how hard is it to operate it's
01:40:49
very simple look so it's it's based on
01:40:51
the Android kernel so any body any of
01:40:54
the apps built for Android almost 95% of
01:40:57
them work on on this phone but they look
01:40:59
a little different because they're not
01:41:01
blasting all the personal ads at you
01:41:03
right for using the app so again it's a
01:41:05
way for people to be in the world
01:41:07
digitally but not of the world and not
01:41:09
have all your stuff collected stored and
01:41:12
disseminated to all kinds of people that
01:41:14
hate
01:41:15
you oh yeah and then it's available of
01:41:18
course to the US government which and
01:41:20
and another important feature I think
01:41:22
you appreciate on our messenger we even
01:41:24
have a dump feature so if you're using
01:41:26
unplugged messenger and someone comes uh
01:41:29
and says uh Tucker give me your phone
01:41:30
I'm here to inspect it you say sure
01:41:32
officer and you unlock it with a certain
01:41:34
code when you hand it to him it's a
01:41:36
brick it's a paper weight because it
01:41:37
wipes it's an auto dump feature which
01:41:39
wipes the messages or it can even dump
01:41:41
the entire phone dump as in zero it out
01:41:44
hard factory reset
01:41:46
unrecoverable Fu seriously yep so you're
01:41:51
traveling through a foreign airport
01:41:52
which is where the in our airports this
01:41:54
has happened yeah and you can yep erase
01:41:58
the phone instantly so one of the
01:42:02
reasons that I I really passionately
01:42:05
dislike uh Apple and Google is because
01:42:08
they'll take your Communications and
01:42:10
give them to the government without telling you yes in fact out of this fisa
01:42:14
bill just passed they're not even
01:42:18
allowed to tell
01:42:19
you that your stuff has been accessed by
01:42:22
this random fed agency or whatever so
01:42:24
it's it's just a it is a big brother
01:42:27
expansion bill is what that was so and
01:42:29
this I mean luck or timing or I don't
01:42:33
know anticipating where the problem is
01:42:34
going to be started this journey three
01:42:37
years ago we're now here it's not it's
01:42:40
not hypothetical anymore these are
01:42:42
available and uh we've just shipped uh
01:42:45
3500 of them and there's a few see this
01:42:47
in civil suits too not that I'm speaking
01:42:49
from experience but um you know um the
01:42:53
people who oppose you can wind up with
01:42:55
all your text messages and then it's a
01:42:57
it's a short trip from there to say the
01:42:58
New York Times exactly um and a text
01:43:01
without a context is a pretext for
01:43:03
trouble oh I love that a text without a
01:43:06
context is a pretext for trouble yeah
01:43:08
luckily in my case I wasn't really doing
01:43:09
anything wrong other than using naughty
01:43:11
language but um all the better to have a
01:43:14
burn time on all those messages so it's
01:43:16
not looked at a year or five years later
01:43:20
some completely I agree with that
01:43:21
because right and so and again nothing
01:43:24
is STO it's it's either on your device
01:43:27
if you send me a message it's on this
01:43:29
device or your device and we can set a
01:43:31
burn time where it's gone unrecoverable
01:43:34
anytime fed can never come to you and
01:43:37
say as the owner and spokesman for
01:43:40
unplug we want the text messages for
01:43:41
someone so we got nothing man we store
01:43:44
nothing it's stored on your device or
01:43:47
this device and you can apple if I use
01:43:50
iMessage which I do correct and you can
01:43:52
set a time on this where it disappears
01:43:56
to be clear so if I'm this is my grubby
01:43:58
iPhone if I'm but if I'm if I'm texting
01:44:00
on
01:44:02
iMessage and um they're storing all of
01:44:05
it yeah I got 59 text messages while we
01:44:09
were talking this
01:44:10
morning that's why you're so slow to
01:44:12
respond in text text you're
01:44:15
deled well it's also my birthday so lots
01:44:18
of people are texting me but anyway the
01:44:20
point is and I don't have any
01:44:22
unauthorized birthday messages but
01:44:25
um but that's a lot I mean people
01:44:27
conduct their all to speak for myself I
01:44:28
conduct my life through text message
01:44:30
exactly Apple has all of that for all
01:44:33
eternity and they will happily give that
01:44:36
to the government without question and
01:44:39
now they're compelled to turn it over
01:44:40
without even a
01:44:42
warrant or probable cause so again if
01:44:46
people are sick of that so users of
01:44:48
unplugged are protected for that
01:44:49
invulnerable there's no that if using
01:44:51
unplugged message if you send a regular
01:44:53
text on
01:44:54
unplugged it it's going to pass through
01:44:55
a phone carrier right they'll have that
01:44:58
message but if you send a message on
01:44:59
unplugged messenger yeah
01:45:02
gone you can set a burn time on it and
01:45:04
it's gone and unrecoverable not stored
01:45:06
by us or anybody else well that seems
01:45:08
like freedom to
01:45:10
me I will always choose Freedom amen and
01:45:13
fight like crazy for it so let me just
01:45:15
end this with um kind of an apology for
01:45:19
interrupting you in the middle of one of
01:45:21
the most interesting things you were
01:45:22
saying so I said name three places that
01:45:26
Americans are not paying attention to
01:45:28
since you are I don't want to violate
01:45:30
your privacy by saying where you are but
01:45:31
I just happen to know that you're like
01:45:33
you're in places I can't even find them
01:45:34
on a map and I'm pretty good at
01:45:35
geography so I think you are the person
01:45:38
to ask what are three places that we're
01:45:41
not paying attention to that we ought to
01:45:43
be and the I interrupted you after the
01:45:45
first one because it was so interesting
01:45:46
and you said Mexico Mexico fentel the
01:45:49
CCP very much promoting so amlo is a
01:45:53
super socialist president there now yeah
01:45:56
there's a even worse leftist female
01:45:58
about to take over and abs leftist
01:46:02
female I love how you describe her she's
01:46:05
a she's very much a a Marxist Protege oh
01:46:08
she is no she's a leftist female for
01:46:10
sure um with active programs by the CCP
01:46:14
to support the most leftist candidates
01:46:17
there uh in Mexico that's a problem
01:46:21
um the it's become more and more of a
01:46:23
narco state with with cartels having
01:46:27
very significant influence if not
01:46:29
control locally or regionally throughout
01:46:32
the throughout the country
01:46:34
um and that's literally our Southern
01:46:36
border and and and the amlo government
01:46:40
um
01:46:42
actively promoting um and cooperating
01:46:46
with that kind of CCP
01:46:48
nonsense positive note just a a
01:46:51
right-wing guy elected in Panama who
01:46:53
says he's going to shut the Darian gap
01:46:55
which is the area that moves all kinds
01:46:58
of people
01:47:01
now um You you asked for three I I might
01:47:04
give you a couple more than three if you
01:47:06
got please do um the active spend of NOS
01:47:12
that the US government funds which
01:47:14
enables Mass migration into Latin
01:47:18
America to walk North to invade across
01:47:21
our Southern border is
01:47:23
massive and disgusting and illegal and
01:47:26
wrong I was just I remember uh three
01:47:29
months ago I was contacted by an NGO in
01:47:31
Haiti asking if I could organize an
01:47:33
aircraft to fly from Port of Prince to
01:47:37
Managua daily I said why on Earth would
01:47:39
you want to do that they said well can
01:47:40
Haitians can fly to Nicaragua Visa free
01:47:43
I said ah I know why it's to facilitate
01:47:47
Haitians coming to Nicaragua and then
01:47:49
walking North to facilitate illegal
01:47:51
migration from there haian shortage here
01:47:53
I don't think so no and there is a
01:48:00
um a massive network of those Nos and
01:48:03
some of those guys are making the the
01:48:04
the CEOs of these things are making a
01:48:06
million dollars a year taking US
01:48:09
taxpayer money facilitating the maneuver
01:48:14
entrance uh of illegal migrants in the
01:48:17
United States funded by the US taxpayers
01:48:20
it's disgusting and if Republicans
01:48:22
actually the power of the purse this
01:48:24
needs to stop and the fact that they
01:48:26
don't means we we have a uni party
01:48:28
problem so we probably need a melee type
01:48:30
solution of a complete change in parties
01:48:33
to to fix
01:48:35
this but you do sort of Wonder since
01:48:37
there's no economic justification for
01:48:39
this level millions of uneducated people
01:48:42
from the poorest countries of the world
01:48:43
coming to your country there's no
01:48:45
especially with the AI like there are no
01:48:46
jobs for these people they're just but
01:48:48
just the fact that the Democrats were
01:48:49
actively seeking to register them as
01:48:51
voters and to make it possible to vote
01:48:54
you know exactly what they're doing
01:48:55
they're trying to stack the deck but I
01:48:57
mean you've been around Wars your whole
01:48:59
life like you tell me if you've got the
01:49:01
mass movement of young military age
01:49:04
males into a country some of them with
01:49:06
prison records like what are you looking
01:49:07
at here yeah like does that make you
01:49:10
nervous at all sure but I also
01:49:14
know
01:49:17
um um Canon fod doesn't do very well
01:49:20
against a sophisticated capability
01:49:23
yeah and and the fact is the people that
01:49:26
actually did the fighting and the dying
01:49:28
and the hard combat uh in the last 20
01:49:31
years they don't agree to that kind of
01:49:33
nonsense because they've laid their
01:49:34
lives and their brothers and their
01:49:37
health on the line for America for a
01:49:40
long time and they're not going to sit
01:49:43
quietly about that nonsense but I mean
01:49:45
so but there's already an effort in the
01:49:47
Congress to make illegal aliens citizens
01:49:50
if they serve in the US Military
01:49:55
I'm not opposed to a longer term
01:49:58
Legionnaire type program if someone
01:50:00
comes here and actually serves and with
01:50:02
obviously very very strict performance
01:50:04
guidelines I we not not don't hire a guy
01:50:06
to be a truck driver in the in the Army
01:50:09
and get citizenship no but um I'm not so
01:50:13
opposed to that but but all the other
01:50:15
stuff they want to do around voting and
01:50:17
driver's licenses and all that stuff
01:50:18
there's a lot of actions that the next
01:50:20
Administration could take to make it
01:50:22
very difficult for those illegals to
01:50:25
remain here by Deb Banking and
01:50:28
deplatforming them what the left has
01:50:31
been doing to people like us for the
01:50:33
last 20 years to make that difficult
01:50:35
okay so Latin America big problem in
01:50:38
Guyana country most people haven't heard
01:50:40
about other than where Jim Jones served
01:50:43
Kool-Aid uh made the largest energy
01:50:45
Discovery in the last in this hemisphere
01:50:47
in the last 50 years so it's enormous
01:50:50
and Venezuela has been um
01:50:53
now declared that 70% of guyana's
01:50:55
territory is theirs uh dusting off a 130
01:50:59
year old Border
01:51:01
dispute and I think you're going to see
01:51:03
Venezuela Annex or sees that uh with
01:51:09
largely impunity uh in the coming uh
01:51:12
months or years certainly depend if the
01:51:15
if the Democrat Administration continues
01:51:19
they'll take it because there's no
01:51:20
consequences for it and so you're really
01:51:22
seeing a
01:51:23
a complete collapse a eraser of the
01:51:26
Monroe Doctrine this idea that what
01:51:29
happens in the western hemisphere is
01:51:30
America's business and not the business
01:51:31
of Russia and
01:51:33
China
01:51:34
um the collapse of credibility of France
01:51:39
and of the United States in Africa is
01:51:42
now uh really accelerating the the Jihad
01:51:47
problem that was persistent in Mali and
01:51:50
Burkina Faso in ner and why do these
01:51:53
countries matter huge gold huge uranium
01:51:56
other minerals there and now Chad
01:52:00
Sudan um the US had two big bases in nir
01:52:04
and they were just pushed out cost a
01:52:08
billion plus easily uh big air bases
01:52:11
drone bases that were trying to do CT
01:52:14
support all across Africa pushed out by
01:52:18
a collapse of
01:52:19
credibility um by the US by the the
01:52:22
French and the Russians have pushed in
01:52:25
and the Russians are using a a Vagner
01:52:28
capability a a hybrid private military
01:52:31
company type capability to enable the
01:52:34
expansion of military cap capability in
01:52:36
those countries well at the same time a
01:52:38
voracious appetite for gold and other
01:52:41
minerals uranium of high value there and
01:52:44
so you're seeing to me it's a it's a
01:52:46
resort it's a it's a reversion to the
01:52:48
norm of what you saw in the 1600s I was
01:52:50
just thinking that exact same thing as
01:52:52
the dollar
01:52:54
declines of course gold becomes more
01:52:56
important yes gold and and uranium and
01:53:00
actual green energy that's right which
01:53:02
uh uh so there's nothing really that new
01:53:06
in Warfare just different um maybe a
01:53:08
little bit of different Tech that
01:53:09
changes changes how things are done but
01:53:11
how Nations interact with each other I
01:53:14
think you'll see a a return to
01:53:17
privateers and to a lot more private
01:53:19
sector because our big bloated
01:53:21
superstate federal government government
01:53:23
has proven well at least now for the
01:53:25
last 30 years it's not very good at no
01:53:27
at putting the fires out civiliz
01:53:29
managing the conflict doesn't work
01:53:33
um clearing the decks uh and and and
01:53:37
putting putting a turn again on some of
01:53:38
these things as
01:53:40
necessary all last question do it does
01:53:43
seem like civilizations in retreat in a
01:53:45
lot of places you know
01:53:48
order um free movement you know
01:53:51
relatively open market markets civility
01:53:54
self-restraint you know just all the
01:53:55
sort of Hallmark Hallmarks of an open uh
01:53:59
Society of like Western Civilization
01:54:01
they all seem to be in Decline do you
01:54:03
see that and or are you worried about it
01:54:06
yeah look civilization e and flow um and
01:54:11
I look for pockets of
01:54:13
normaly of however crazy things get
01:54:16
people still figure out how to uh how to
01:54:18
get on with it and Carry On and uh
01:54:21
there's certainly pockets within Europe
01:54:23
where they still do that there's
01:54:25
Pockets um in parts of the Middle East
01:54:29
uh there's even some pockets in South
01:54:30
Africa that I would consider islands of
01:54:33
normaly uh and in Latin America as well
01:54:36
I again I come back to melee what a
01:54:38
spectacular man who just took on his
01:54:41
entire political establishment and said
01:54:44
AA out right so I um I am I I'm still
01:54:49
drawn I recommend the book a lot it's
01:54:51
called to DARE and to conquer
01:54:53
and a friend gave it to me years ago and
01:54:55
it's a it's a history of Special
01:54:57
Operations throughout history all the
01:54:58
way from Alexander the Great and his men
01:55:01
that climbed sagian Rock and to to the
01:55:04
present of a few picked men and women
01:55:08
very capable Warriors that that flew in
01:55:10
the face of unsurmountable odds and made
01:55:12
it happen in change world history so I
01:55:15
think there's a there's a lot of Hope in
01:55:17
that and um big government is really
01:55:20
dumb and quite plotting and um I know I
01:55:24
know folks that have worked in Google
01:55:25
and apple and they and they pull their
01:55:27
hair out at how innan and stupid a lot
01:55:29
of those things are and so I view them
01:55:32
probably as dumb as the US was in
01:55:34
Afghanistan and an opponent that can be
01:55:36
defeated with Wy creative very
01:55:40
focused um and very my dad always told
01:55:44
me persistence and determination and um
01:55:47
I try to live by that and uh my I I come
01:55:50
back to um my favorite quote from
01:55:52
Churchill and he said um he was speaking
01:55:56
before the the Canadian Parliament a
01:55:58
year after the Battle of Britain said he
01:55:59
said uh a year ago her Hitler said he
01:56:01
would ring the neck of the British
01:56:03
people like a chicken in six weeks and I
01:56:06
stand before you a year later and I say
01:56:07
some chicken some
01:56:12
neck Eric Prince thank you thanks Tucker
